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My 2¢: in however many decades from now, we'll be about equally horrified by animal cruelty and by all the grain we used to eat.
Those are religious issues, and there is no objective standard to what we will be horrified by. The only safe bet is that humans will be different in different cultures, and thus different people will find different things bad.
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If you're not eating meat and you're not eating grain, where are you getting all of your energy from?
My hope is that various forms of artificial meat become viable and generally affordable. I think this is realistic, in spite of the opposition we can expect from both Big Ag and Big Fake Yoga.
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Doubt being "horrified" on the animal cruelty. We're pretty good to dehumanize other animals except pets I believe.
People weren't horrified about cruelty against slaves not so long ago, and look at where we are now. I bet most people of that era would not believe we'd ever reach the point we got now. I bet many would even be willing to die on wars for over their now-completely-unacceptable ethic standards.
Link to the actual study: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24247
There seem to be some rather dubious assumptions there, notably that hunting is a more efficient way of acquiring nutrition than gathering. I'm not a specialist in the field, but my understanding was the opposite. And sentences such as "[...] baboons [...] devote almost all their daylight hours to feeding [...] while adult Ache and Hadza men spend only a third of the day in food acquisition, preparation, and feeding"…
Good example of media selection bias here, notice how this study is completely ignored by mainstream media: https://imgur.com/a/lkaoClD if it had said "Humans ate vegetables and little else" it would be on r/all now.
There is a media bias here, but it's not what you're implying. It is Israeli media picking up a story promoted by Israeli scientists. This is common practice for media in EMEA countries. But most importantly, you're overlooking the authors' bias. 1st/last authors seem to be making an academic career on proving that humans are carnivores. 2nd author is a self-confessed fan of low-carb diets, and listed as the founder…
My father had a mid-life crisis in the mid 90's, and went from being an avid hunter and fisherman to being a hardcore animal rights vegan. (It was all precipitated by him meeting and dating a woman who worked at PETA) He was about 45 at the time. Within 2 years, his health had markedly declined. There are healthy vegan diets, but his was an unhealthy vegan diet. Despite no history of heart attacks on either his mothe…
I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with vegans, it seems like most people do lol. I was vegan for about a year, and I found it through self experimentation. I felt much lighter and energetic when I didn't eat meat. I did feel more burnt out mentally though. Through some research I started taking fish oil and feel much better now. Overall I'd say I feel great and would recommend my diet, especially considering my…
I was voluntarily a vegan in my early 20s from 2001 to 2005. I too felt far better when I first transitioned to veganism, for several months. Over time, I gradually had a hard time keeping my weight at a normal level, and noticed that I healed slower from physical activity, but supplementation helped with that. The thing that ended up doing me in was an experiment to try to gain muscle mass (I had lost it while being vegan and working construction) where I started eating fish and eggs ended up having the unforeseen side-effect of curing my depression.
I'm not prescribing any diet to anybody, but it wasn't a great fit for me.
My father's development of heart disease was no mystery. He's a dumb redneck who went vegan because of a woman and the ensuing social circle that gave him what he always wanted, a sense of community. He's a shitty cook, except for meat, and so he ended up replacing meat with carbs and vegetable oils. Refined carbs trigger the liver to crank out triglycerides into the blood stream, who consequentially damage arterial linings and cause inflammation. His diet went from being a relatively healthy one that included animal products, but was a lot of game meat and fresh caught fish, to a diet that happened to be vegan but was shitty.
The religious zealots he was around told him that animal products were THE cause of heart disease and cancer and everything else. Total BS of course.
This topic always becomes an ideological football in public discussions. Nevertheless... The article completely misstates the purpose and findings of the paper, which isn't being helped by the authors here. The position taken in the paper is much less extreme. To summarize, they're staking out a position that middle paleolithic foraging groups were primarily carnivorous, but still had some level of dietary plant cons…
> completely misstates the purpose and findings...primarily carnivorous, but still had some level of dietary plant consumption. That's exactly what the article says, so not sure why you're saying it completely misstates the purpose and findings.
Since the whole point of science communications is communicating nuanced ideas without perpetuating misunderstandings, the fact that discussions here are reflecting the former rather than the latter is what I mean.
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Stone age humans are hardly the standard we should be aspiring for. The biggest two arguments for veganism are: 1. The horrific practises of the animal agriculture industry, which looks nothing like a chiseled hunter holding a bow 2. The devastating impact of the above on the environment Cavemen had neither of these issues.
If I were an animal, I might rather be killed humanely in a slaughterhouse than clubbed and stabbed to death by a band of cavemen.
Seriously, watch any factory farm video and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to wish that kind of life for yourself.
But the good thing now is we neither have to club animals to death like cavemen or factory farm animals as our society does now.
We can choose to be cruelty free.
Well, regardless of the topic at hand (the point about brain-size shrinking when eating plants certainly sounds interesting), already the infographics are full of obvious typos ("Domesticsted", "Larg prey") which suggests shoddy editing at least. While that made me chuckle a bit in the context of "brain size" it also leads me to not giving to much credence to the quality of the rest of the text (which I cannot really…
Marrow is excellent eating, and the only reason I wouldn't encourage people to eat more of it is because I want to be able to afford it.
My father had a mid-life crisis in the mid 90's, and went from being an avid hunter and fisherman to being a hardcore animal rights vegan. (It was all precipitated by him meeting and dating a woman who worked at PETA) He was about 45 at the time. Within 2 years, his health had markedly declined. There are healthy vegan diets, but his was an unhealthy vegan diet. Despite no history of heart attacks on either his mothe…
I've been vegetarian for 25 years. I'm male, 45 years old, my resting heart rate is around 50, and I can run 10km in under 50 minutes (and I do this about 3 times per week). Scroll back 5 years. My wife and I decided to become vegan (for various reasons - carbon footprint, animal welfare, all that jazz). Having been healthy vegetarians for about 20 years, it should have been easy, but regardless, we were meticulous.…