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Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by [deleted] »

brailsafe wrote: post #37
psychtrauma wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occam's razor suggests to me that some people in the design process defined marriage as being strictly between a man and a woman, and nobody else cared enough to change this. It doesn't fill me with joy that a 2020 game would make that choice. Also the choice to have characters default to open homophobia, and for that to be used as a positive in promotional material, is not an indicator of a gay-friendly organisation…

But don't forget about Hanlon's razor. I don't play Crusader Kings, was more curious about the technical bit, but it would be a shame to not be able to release what seems like a quazi-historical game with fairly different cultural norms by default.

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Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by xanth »

tonfreed wrote: post #99

Can't you do this by reforming your religion anyway? I haven't played since launch

You can reform your religion making it accepted, however that only allows characters to perform Seduce and Romance schemes without risk of imprisonment if Criminal or an opinion penalty if its considered shunned.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by goatinaboat »

krapp wrote: post #21
p1necone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably slavish dedication to historical accuracy. Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? I personally wouldn't want a seemingly historically accurate (ish) game to present the churches of the age as being okay with same sex marriage when they weren't. Although being able to toggle it on in the settings would be cool.

>Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? No Christian cultures, obviously.

No Christian cultures, obviously.

Interestingly, the vast majority of countries that now permit gay marriage have Christian histories.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by 29athrowaway »

ashkankiani wrote: post #79

Turning the JZ into a nop to fallthrough to the next line is easier, right? That might be what he did in the quickfix area anyway. The self-marriage part was pretty hilarious. "Do I take myself? I do!"

This technique is known as a NOP sled. You have to change all the bytes in the jump to NOPs (opcode 0x90).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOP_slide

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by headmelted »

“Do ye a marriage” has to be the greatest proposal I’ve ever heard. It’s so matter-of-fact and deadpan. I love it.

If you can add an option between Seduce and Romance of “Mine body ages and the offers are few, but my family hath bequeathed land” I’m buying this game right now.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

#106

Post by stfnpopop »

saagarjha wrote: post #96
dmichulke wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll try that line with my wife but I have that feeling that she won't like it

The obvious caveat is that with people consent comes into the picture.

So we are back where we started, no?

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by opk »

bstar77 wrote: post #48
mabbo wrote: post #2

It seems odd to me. Paradox is a Swedish company, and Sweden is a fairly liberal country. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2009, and even the Church of Sweden gave the go-ahead on performing same-sex marriages the same year. The game logic around this is simple enough that changing two byes fixes it, so it's not a technical issue. What gives?

You also cannot disable homosexuality so I don't think their decisions are politically aligned.

Richard I of England and Philip II of France were very likely homosexual but still got married off in the hopes of creating an heir. Maybe a suitably bribed pope in the middle ages would have found a way to get a gay marriage passed. That it'd even be considered necessary is doubtful - that "at night their beds did not separate them" was likely good enough for that pair of K̶i̶n̶g̶s̶/Queens. So they could be well-aligned with the relevant historical period and setting.

I have zero familiarity with the game so am purely considering the title here.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by tom_mellior »

josefx wrote: post #22
mabbo wrote: post #2

It seems odd to me. Paradox is a Swedish company, and Sweden is a fairly liberal country. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2009, and even the Church of Sweden gave the go-ahead on performing same-sex marriages the same year. The game logic around this is simple enough that changing two byes fixes it, so it's not a technical issue. What gives?

Take a look at the screenshot of that same sex marriage, do you notice something odd? The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. The patch only disables the gender check, it does not fix the game content or any other logic related to marriage. There are probably dozens of follow up bugs waiting, some of which will need new game logic and art to fix.

> The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male.

Do you mean the symbols next to "This is you"? I think you're misinterpreting them. That's the character's sexual orientation. It's always there, regardless of the character's marriage status. And gay or lesbian characters can and do marry people of the other sex even if that would not be what they want. The sexual orientation symbol doesn't change.

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