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Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by temp8964 »

jelsisi wrote: post #97
temp8964 wrote: post #47

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But the root of the problem is not the technology, it is the people and the culture. I have no doubt, using tweets to cancel people is a deliberate tactic of the far left activists to win the culture war. And they are winning, a lot. After a few more decades, cancel the First Amendment and put people in prison bc of wrong speech is not impossible. Right now the focus is race, gender, identity politics, but it can be…

although I hate the aspect of cancel culture where someone's tweets from several years ago are pulled up to destroy their career, I think a lot of the stuff around race, gender, ect. is headed in the right direction. We are at a point where hating on an group of people is simply not o.k. and I think the repercussion are fair (although it is socially acceptable right now to hate on white people, I view this as an over…

So maybe send them to prison for a few months / years or fine them a few thousand dollars is even better than destroy their career?

Also, how about climate deniers, people say anti-union things? They will be handled in the next round.

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Post by throwawayboise »

jelsisi wrote: post #64
tw04 wrote: post #35

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But they aren't and won't ever be, and people should stop treating them like they are. It's no different than going to your local public square full of 200 people holding camcorders, and making a bunch of stupid statements. Did we all do stupid stuff when we were younger: absolutely. Would I want the entire world to see what I did as a teenager and judge me for it? Absolutely not. Which is EXACTLY why I personally th…

One of the first things I did when I graduated from high school was delete my twitter account. It was in an effort to get myself together and become more focused in school. Seeing people's careers damaged by tweets when they were kids makes me feel more and more that deleting my account was one of the best decisions I have made. If I ever have kids, I'll make a concerted effort with other parents to prevent them from…

> If I ever have kids, I'll make a concerted effort with other parents to prevent them from joining any social media before they turn 16

Honestly that seems unlikely. If all their friends are on some platform they will find a way to be on it also. Best you can do is really try to educate them on how badly things can boomerang and that the internet never forgets. But even at 16, most kids don't have the life experience and perspective to really understand this.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by paxys »

gentleman11 wrote: post #100
paxys wrote: post #87

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HN isn't just for discussing "legitimate news sources" (whatever that even means). People can post anything they want from any source.

You can’t say anything of substance in 280 characters, or find room to cite references. It’s just a bunch of disembodied statements meant to go viral to build peoples followings or get people mad, with no meaningful discussion back and forth (for the same reasons). Maybe I’m just getting old, but Twitter seems like a bad way to get and share information, even without the random bans. Apologies if I just haven’t seen…

That is debatable (I personally don't agree with your view at all), but regardless people are still allowed to post and discuss meaningless content here.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by saon »

nanna wrote: post #2

Honestly, I wish tweets were treated like verbal exchanges more than written. Not everything that is said needs to be recorded for perpetuity. If a politician or someone powerful tweets, then sure it might be in someone's interest to record it. Good luck to them. But unless you're someone that people really care about - it should be fine to just delete your tweet for good. If that means something problematic was twee…

This kind of thing can never be materially accomplished though. Whenever you post something publicly to the internet, any recipient can back it up indefinitely, separately from the origin network. This is a fundamental material reality. No amount of legislation or centralized control of the content can overcome it.

Ultimately people will have to culturally/collectively get over everyone's internet past, change their own behavior after understanding this new reality, and deal with the consequences of their speech. Even if it were possible, having the ability to remove all copies of past speech would probably produce worse social outcomes. I think I'd rather deal with a person's complicated history, than a history that has been selectively revised to deceive me.

Private, perishable communication is only possible peer-to-peer, through a secure tunnel or network you own, with a person you trust to delete it. The same applies to verbal speech honestly, if you tell somebody something in confidence, it's up to them not to tell anybody else. People just need to accept that using twitter is like making a press release and not like talking to some friends.

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Post by ghaff »

throwawayboise wrote: post #63
SamBam wrote: post #28

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> or in private . Not sure how email is an answer. It sound like the rule is "don't do/say it at all, if you didn't want it to be public."

It used to be that a private conversation with another person was private. At worst, it was "one person's word against another" so you could operate on a basis of "don't write it down" if you wanted something to be private. Not sure how much longer that will be the case. People will soon be walking around with the personal equivalant of a police officer's body camera, always on, recording every moment and every inter…

I wouldn't be surprised at all if, at some point, a lot of people routinely wear some sort of AR when out in public. It's possible there will be widespread social pushback (i.e. the Glasshole factor). But I wouldn't bet on it if such a thing were genuinely comfortable and useful.

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Post by fabatka »

harperlee wrote: post #82
fabatka wrote: post #69

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But even then you know your tweets can be read by anybody. If a platform is fundamentally public, I don't understand how can anyone use it as a form of private communication.

Well it's human nature, really. You are not constantly stepping back and rationally evaluating the present moment. If you have a small bunch of followers and you start a conversation with them, the topic can evolve towards more sensitive matters. Kind of like with normalization of deviance in privacy terms. You just focus on the content of the conversation. As soon as you are answering to anyone, your mind focuses on…

Thanks, I can see your point better. I guess my real concern is about Twitter being considered the default communication channel for many people. I mean it is perfect for getting updates from orgs/teams the quickest way possible, but to use it as a forum... for me it is incomprehensible.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by mids_hn »

elric wrote: post #81

A couple of years ago, I discovered that archive.org had archived an ancient (1998ish) personal web page of mine. Back when the internet was a smaller, safer and simpler place. It contained a bunch of personally identifiable information, including a phone number and an address. It took me months to have it removed from their archive. They are extremely (deliberately?) slow to respond to emails. They ignore EU law (ri…

I had screwed up by explicitly stating a Creative Commons license on the page, so I'm certain that it's hopeless. Fuck the Archive team, they can burn in hell. They are the epitome of lawful evil.

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Post by tw04 »

elric wrote: post #84
tw04 wrote: post #35

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But they aren't and won't ever be, and people should stop treating them like they are. It's no different than going to your local public square full of 200 people holding camcorders, and making a bunch of stupid statements. Did we all do stupid stuff when we were younger: absolutely. Would I want the entire world to see what I did as a teenager and judge me for it? Absolutely not. Which is EXACTLY why I personally th…

So your answer to "young people doing dumb things" is banning young people from doing dumb things until they reach $arbitraryAge? That seems unlikely to happen. There's a difference between 200 people in a square watching and filming you, and between an organization doing the same thing and then making it available to all of mankind for the rest of time .

Yes... We ban children from doing all sorts of things until they're an appropriate age to make better choices. From getting married to driving to smoking cigarettes.

As I said, I doubt it will happen, that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

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Post by lifthrasiir »

nanna wrote: post #2

Honestly, I wish tweets were treated like verbal exchanges more than written. Not everything that is said needs to be recorded for perpetuity. If a politician or someone powerful tweets, then sure it might be in someone's interest to record it. Good luck to them. But unless you're someone that people really care about - it should be fine to just delete your tweet for good. If that means something problematic was twee…

The very presence of retweets and likes means they can't ever be treated like verbal conversations. It is a written record mistaken as ephermeral one, period.
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