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The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#101

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

Sounds like you’d be a terrible citizen, turning a blind eye to exploitation and corruption to make a buck...

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#102

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse?

Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#103
post #99

Would „confidental computing”[1] be able to provide a solution in this situation? If it is encrypted using a TEE, they would have no way of knowing what kind of data they are hosting. [1]: https://confidentialcomputing.io/

Are you suggesting that something is a "solution" by shielding people who perpetuate the distribution of child abuse media and profit off it? If you are, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Yes, you can use one of the four horsemen of internet crime to strip rights from everyone who isn’t doing anything wrong, or, you can realize the good will always outweigh the bad.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#104
Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business.

It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things, they know it and they do it on purpose, and there is no clear way to fight it.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#105

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes life simpler, when the usual suspects are all in one easy to watch place.

North Holland? More like Hamsterdam.

I get the The Wire reference, but I don’t think it applies here.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#107
post #99

Would „confidental computing”[1] be able to provide a solution in this situation? If it is encrypted using a TEE, they would have no way of knowing what kind of data they are hosting. [1]: https://confidentialcomputing.io/

Are you suggesting that something is a "solution" by shielding people who perpetuate the distribution of child abuse media and profit off it? If you are, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

I think this is a case of a HN user seeing the abstraction of a problem rather than the actual subject matter.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#108
Somehow, when the following two sentences are put together I lose all hope in the world's incentive structure:

"Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. [...] Companies would have to respond to a notification from the child pornography hotline without discussion within 24 hours"

"In 2015, Ecatel became embroiled in a lengthy conflict with the Premier League in the UK over claims of illegal streaming of football matches over Ecatel’s network. Streams must be removed by court order within 20 minutes of a notification."

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#109

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes.

The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective measures that look "morally right".

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