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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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post #43

Anecdotal but my office is ultra -woke. There are endless internal emails about whatever-week, or veterans-this, or LBGTQ+-that etc etc. People have been hounded out and either quit or been fired for fairly minor "infractions" of the groupthink (...and also some people have rightly been fired for actual inappropriate behaviour). And guess what all this talk about "toxic masculinity" and generally vilifying all men le…

Now you know how the other side felt all along :). Seriously, we are now asked to treat everyone with respect and that is a problem? Edit: No I don't mean eye for eye. I am merely pointing out, this is a male dominant industry where women didn't even have a chance for a long time. The moment we face little uneasiness, we are complaining and throwing temper tantrums.

What other side? This whole othering of people is just regressive tribalism.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#102

Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…

Thought experiment: I do wonder if some boss in the future will only employ straight white males simply to avoid people "offending" others (it's hard to offend a straight white male in this new woke ideology). Of course this has the opposite effect to what the woke seem to want, but this is the world we have built ourselves.

Diversity is a competitive advantage.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#103
post #81

Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…

"what does that mean?" I couldn't come up with an answer for that This seems to fit the definition of cargo cult. You clearly had good intentions, but you can't go around saying phrases without being able to back them up. This should be familiar to you from technical situations - consider: "prefer composition over inheritance" - reasonable advice, but be prepared to explain yourself, not just parrot it.

It's contextually a lot different though. In this case, it's not that he didn't have an answer or a means to clarify, it's that, based on her initial reaction, he didn't have one he wasn't sure would dig a deeper hole.

I doubt anyone out there will have a similar visceral reaction to discussing code architecture.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#104

> I’m not going to suggest a solution to the problem of men clamming up. I find this a little frustrating, they’ve noticed a pattern of behaviour that concerns them in an area they are clearly invested in - yet they have no thoughts or suggestions on how to address this? Is it possible they are not offering such thoughts because of the same issue they have highlighted in the article?

Why does someone need to have a solution in order for their observation of a problem to be considered valid?

Maybe the problem is real but they just don’t have as solution?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#105
post #37

My first take on the article is that the author overestimates the impact and even the causality of an investor giving founders advice to swipe roles. It makes it sound simple and so reduced that to turn a company around is just having founders swiping roles. But that’s beside the point of the article. Ultimately I think it’s on men to learn how to handle giving candid advice in a non-sexist manner. This investor just…

>> Ultimately I think it’s on men to learn how to handle giving candid advice in a non-sexist manner.

And how would that be in this case?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#106
post #47

I'm really glad to see this here. I don't have a better word readily available than sexism for trying to talk about patterns like this but when I use the word sexism , I think people think I mean "Men are intentionally exclusionary assholes just to be assholes because they simply hate women." and that's never what I'm trying to say. I find my gender is a barrier to getting traction and my experience is that it's due…

As usually, in western gynocentric social order, men are evil and the problem and women are like kids: should have all privileges and carry no responsibility.

Please don't take HN threads into gender flamewar hell. This sort of generic tangent is exactly what the site guidelines ask you not to post here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, we'd be grateful.

Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what ideology they're battling for or against, because it's destructive of what this site is supposed to be for. Curious conversation and ideological battle can't coexist any more than frisbee in a park can coexist with tank warfare. We're trying to optimize for curiosity here. Please use HN in the intended spirit from now on.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#107

It doesn't help that the benchmark for oppression gets lower every day. It used to be a concerted, systematic action that's targeted at a small group. Today, it's pretty much anything which hurts one's feelings. Here's a hot take: This is what happens when kids don't get bullied at school. They don't learn to build the necessary emotional circuitry and calluses to deal with emotional damage.

Hot == dumb@ss

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#108
post #104

> I’m not going to suggest a solution to the problem of men clamming up. I find this a little frustrating, they’ve noticed a pattern of behaviour that concerns them in an area they are clearly invested in - yet they have no thoughts or suggestions on how to address this? Is it possible they are not offering such thoughts because of the same issue they have highlighted in the article?

Why does someone need to have a solution in order for their observation of a problem to be considered valid? Maybe the problem is real but they just don’t have as solution?

But they have no thoughts on a solution at all? Nothing? Not even an inkling of a suggestion to continue the discussion?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#109

Anecdotal but my office is ultra -woke. There are endless internal emails about whatever-week, or veterans-this, or LBGTQ+-that etc etc. People have been hounded out and either quit or been fired for fairly minor "infractions" of the groupthink (...and also some people have rightly been fired for actual inappropriate behaviour). And guess what all this talk about "toxic masculinity" and generally vilifying all men le…

Ew! White man expressing himself!

Please don’t express your experiences or opinions on things. If you were one of these _____ , we would love to hear your life experiences or opinions on things. Because you were not born one of these ____, we don’t.

Regards, Your Morally Superior GroupThink Social Overlords

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#110
For candor, reduce the risk of blow back by giving the advice in person or over the phone. California law is very strict in recording conversations.

Yes, a guy could screw it up and say something potentially sexist or just dumb — but for success what someone is doing wrong needs to be expressed.

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