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Is that ship still stuck?
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Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
My question, for those who know more about this domain than me, is this a problem that enough money could fix? If the governments of the world wrote a $1 trillion blank check, would that be enough to get the ship out in the next 24 hours? Or is this a problem that money alone can't solve?
We're discussing a ship that is 400 metres long, 59 metres wide, and has a draft of 16 metres[0]. It's carrying somewhere over 18,000 containers, each of which could weight up to 27,000 kg[1]. It's unlikely that all of them weigh that much, but still, they can be heavy. The load has been very carefully placed on the ship to ensure maximum stability. So the heavy loads are probably deeper in the hull and the lighter l…
And as a bit more context, the cranes that are used at ports are capable of moving 60+ tonnes[0] - physics becomes a bit of a problem when your crane is a lever..
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#103Comedy option, what wacky cold war era aircraft do we have capable of lifting massive loads like a container ship? Perhaps an enormous fleet of Chinook helicopters could take it straight up?
It has a 20,000 container capacity, so if it's full and you could unload them at a rate of 1 per minute (assuming multiple choppers) it would take 2 weeks with no stopping, but I assume the frequency would be much lower than that so you're talking possibly months to unload even a fraction of them.
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#104Comedy option, what wacky cold war era aircraft do we have capable of lifting massive loads like a container ship? Perhaps an enormous fleet of Chinook helicopters could take it straight up?
I'd be amazed if the density of weight on the ship is such that an arbitrarily large fleet of Chinooks could actually safely accomplish this. And helicopters flying in a dense formation under strain is quite likely to result in a lot of really big problems.
The rotor wash beneath it all would be breathtaking.. and might blow all the water out of the canal. :)
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#105Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
My question, for those who know more about this domain than me, is this a problem that enough money could fix? If the governments of the world wrote a $1 trillion blank check, would that be enough to get the ship out in the next 24 hours? Or is this a problem that money alone can't solve?
We're discussing a ship that is 400 metres long, 59 metres wide, and has a draft of 16 metres[0]. It's carrying somewhere over 18,000 containers, each of which could weight up to 27,000 kg[1]. It's unlikely that all of them weigh that much, but still, they can be heavy. The load has been very carefully placed on the ship to ensure maximum stability. So the heavy loads are probably deeper in the hull and the lighter l…
Is it even that easy to get any containers off the ship, without the machinery and infrastructure at ports?
Is it common at all to get containers off a ship outside of docking areas?
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#107I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…
Dumb question but what about heavy lift helicopters moving containers off 1 by 1?
There are 20,000 containers on the ship. Assuming you needed to remove 1/4 of those containers to get it to rise far enough to get off of the sand, you need to move 5000 containers.
Assume that it takes 5 minute to connect a bridle to a container, hook it to a helicopter, and move it...and then also assume that the helicopters can run 24/7 and never have to refuel, that they can hot swap in pilots, and that there is never a single problem, you're talking about 25000 minutes, or about 17 days of absolutely non stop running helicopters.
And that only gets you 1/4 of the containers, and it might not even work at all.
(It's not a dumb question, and I'm sure that it was already discussed by the team who is dealing with this. It's just that the scale of what is happening here is restrictive.)
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nine women can't make a baby in a month. Some things just take time, regardless of how much resources you throw at it.
Somebody just have to come up with a good idea.... IE: blow up a boat load of C4 on the side of it...
I'm pretty certain if you nuked the container ship you'd solve the first problem - it'd be messy and expensive but if you could explosively throw chunks out of the canal you could probably resume service.
And just imagine how badass the canal would look if we glassed the banks and lined them with some LEDs!
(please don't do this)
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#109Visited this on my phone and it said "No.". I yelped. Turns out there's just an issue with the site on mobile! Still stuck.
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#110How does liability work here? Who is liable for all the work required to get the ship dug out? Who keeps the insurance that will pay for all this?