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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Number157 »

scotty79 wrote: post #99
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

#nostradamus

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Aunche »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #94
Aunche wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is complete hearsay. If China could so easily violate one country, two systems, they wouldn't have cared about a formal extradition bill to begin with.

No it isn't. The people of Myanmar have been sharing lots and lots of videos and media showing china has sent police officers and soldiers to the military government to keep order. It's totally in the CCP playbook to replace local police with their own cadres.

Again, complete hearsay that China is supporting the military coup. They had good relations with incumbent government due to the belt and road initiative.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by mannerheim »

Aunche wrote: post #86
alasdair_ wrote: post #84

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There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...

That tweet is exactly what I mean by hearsay. A few clips cherrypicked from thousands of hours of footage, showing a police officer speaking a few words in the second most popular language in the area is not evidence that they're undercover Chinese officers.

Depending on what figures you look at, English may be more popular. Fairly close these days, though.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by tablespoon »

I've been on a bit of an youtube archiving kick lately. Does anyone know of a good list of youtube videos that were uploaded during the protests (e.g. documenting the protest, police brutality, etc)? I'm probably too late to the party though, since I understand a lot of protesters took down their social media uploads in support of the protests after the national security law was enacted.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by justicezyx »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #64
justicezyx wrote: post #58

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Source please? During covid a lot of people were isolated. I doubt anyone mainlanders wanted to risk life to confront the protestors. Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world.

"Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world." what would this have to do with Chinese police sent to stop a protest

Yes, that's the confusing part.

Where are the evidences of such government-sponsored activities? As I said, normal Chinese mainlanders usually don't have much impetus to confront others, even if they wholeheartedly stand against the counterparts, in this case, most mainlanders would be against HK protestors. Then these people are organized by CCP, then what are the evidences?

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Rapzid »

jonathannat wrote: post #97
brundolf wrote: post #95

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> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.

Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle.

This isn't an issue that's going to be addressed by trying to change consumer behavior.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by eric_b »

In the US I've been sadly unsurprised by how little coverage Hong Kong has gotten recently.

Our politicians are a disgrace. They scream about democracy when a bunch of hooligans riot at the Capitol, but when a human-rights defiling government legitimately suppresses democracy for 7M people, they stay silent.

They stay silent on organ harvesting, on the quasi-genocide of the Uighurs, and any number of other human rights abuses.

If the politicians, particularly those on the left, had an ounce of principle and even attempted to walk their talk, they would be leading the charge against China at every turn.

Here is a chance to step up for human rights and democracy in a big way, and it's crickets from our leaders.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by pwinnski »

tasogare wrote: post #81
surajama wrote: post #75

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https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... “could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.”

Time will tell... For the moment an arrestation over a trivial matter like this is a very big deal. Also the red guards are actively brigading here, elsewhere on the net and irl to impose their cultural revolution, in addition of hijacking the legal system, so the comparison with communist China is very apt.

So you made a false claim, and supplied with evidence your claim was false, you reply with "Time will tell" rather than admit your claim was false.

This is not helpful to anyone.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by FpUser »

ipnon wrote: post #43
vijayr02 wrote: post #37

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is this not just propaganda by another name? Seems to me that everyone wants to cast their war as a just war [0]. If that means deniable approaches or false flag operations [1] then so be it. In particular I found this excerpt from [1] ironic in the context of your comment: > Russo-Swedish War In 1788, the head tailor at the Royal Swedish Opera received an order to sew a number of Russian military uniforms. These wer…

We can define propaganda in contrast to psychological warfare. Whereas psychological warfare is the dissemination of cultural products by a military to the population of a foreign adversary in pursuit of a strategic objective, propaganda is the dissemination of cultural products by a government to their own people in the pursuit of strategic objectives. This definition serves the discussion of propaganda in the broad…

Where in your classification would you place outlets like RT or Voice of America then?

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by coupdejarnac »

Aunche wrote: post #40
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

I got to say it's kind of fascinating seeing CCP talking points regurgitated on HN.
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