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Re: I don't care about cookies

#101

Post by 0x0 »

hutghkiuhg wrote: post #80
_nalply wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These popups are designed to waste your time. What's needed is a global setting to say no to everything. Daniel from Croatia, perhaps could you add a checkbox (opt-in) to the extension with the text: «I declare that I don't want to be tracked and don't want to be bothered with questions about privacy.» and a link to a more detailed manifesto, if not already done?

Speculating here, we could call the checbox "Do Not Track", and make it a browser setting. HN would probably love this. Oh, wait...

Or you know, people could just disable cookies IN THE BROWSER SETTINGS if they don't like them. Which is the only place technical measures against cookies can be enforced anyways. And stop bothering the rest of us with these pointless popups.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#102

Post by llarsson »

sfvisser wrote: post #99
matsemann wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I can't fathom why the hate is on the law, and not the companies now being exposed by the law.. Seriously, if you don't do shady shit your site doesn't need a popup asking for consent. But even Github has misunderstood it's not about the cookies. They had an article earlier about removing the popup since they managed to do stuff without cookies. The law doesn't care about cookies, it cares about tracking and ill…

> Yes, I can't fathom why the hate is on the law, and not the companies now being exposed by the law.. Because the law obviously didn't help stopping companies from doing shady shit and made the user experience of the web worse?

Quite a few companies have been fined for violating the law, and we are seeing positive effects for privacy because of it.

The cookie stuff, yes, it's annoying for us end users. I get it.

But take how H&M were fined for violating the privacy of their employees. That they had to stop doing that is a Good Thing, right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54418936

Re: I don't care about cookies

#103

Post by luckylion »

Odenwaelder wrote: post #96

This browser plugin automatically accepted a Notion.so pop up to upgrade to enterprise plan. Beware of this plugin!

Uhh, that's bad.

Come to think of it, a malicious company could probably set up their systems so they get auto-confirmed by the plugin. I'm not sure they'd be valid in that case.

Similar attacks: load the fine print via JS and stick it into an /ads/advertisement.js so adblockers will block the loading of it.

Can the company claim "we showed it to the user, if their software hides it, that's not our problem"?

Re: I don't care about cookies

#104

Post by oneeyedpigeon »

dheera wrote: post #78
II2II wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

They don't work for me. > disable some cookies No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. The popups are a horrible experience, as are "please sign up for the newsletter" popups. I don't read any newsletters. I use…

> That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site.

If it's any consolation, a pretty significant number appear to do that even if you ARE accepting cookies.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#106

Post by hutghkiuhg »

0x0 wrote: post #101
hutghkiuhg wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speculating here, we could call the checbox "Do Not Track", and make it a browser setting. HN would probably love this. Oh, wait...

Or you know, people could just disable cookies IN THE BROWSER SETTINGS if they don't like them. Which is the only place technical measures against cookies can be enforced anyways. And stop bothering the rest of us with these pointless popups.

Apparently THE LAW can force companies to put up these annoying popups. Couldn't THE LAW force companies to respect Do Not Track?

Yes, yes, I know, smaller sites will not give a fuck.

But I bet Google, FB and other ones will. Which is why they fight against this so hard. Just try enabling Do Not Track in Chrome and watch the scary dialogs you need to go through which will make regular people think it's a dangerous thing to do.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#107

Post by fguerraz »

llarsson wrote: post #102
sfvisser wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, I can't fathom why the hate is on the law, and not the companies now being exposed by the law.. Because the law obviously didn't help stopping companies from doing shady shit and made the user experience of the web worse?

Quite a few companies have been fined for violating the law, and we are seeing positive effects for privacy because of it. The cookie stuff, yes, it's annoying for us end users. I get it. But take how H&M were fined for violating the privacy of their employees. That they had to stop doing that is a Good Thing, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54418936

No, it is not a good thing.

GDPR is a highly complex piece of legislation that is very hard to navigate and therefore only established companies with big bucks to spend on lawyers and extra engineering can profit from the ecosystem while everybody else is put at risk.

Complex legislation and regulations is the best way to keep monopolies in place. Same goes for the financial sector, telecoms, etc. It's nearly impossible for new players to emerge.

This complex frameworks are put it place so that big companies that do nasty things can get away with it because they will be able to demonstrate that they have complied with the regulations while emerging players will break their teeth on it.

Instead of regulating _how_ data collection and processing should be done, we should penalise _what_ is done with the data in simple clear terms, and make _people_ (CEOs, etc.) responsible not just giving fines to companies. Basically, reintroduce skin in the game.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#108

Post by MakersF »

sfvisser wrote: post #99
matsemann wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I can't fathom why the hate is on the law, and not the companies now being exposed by the law.. Seriously, if you don't do shady shit your site doesn't need a popup asking for consent. But even Github has misunderstood it's not about the cookies. They had an article earlier about removing the popup since they managed to do stuff without cookies. The law doesn't care about cookies, it cares about tracking and ill…

> Yes, I can't fathom why the hate is on the law, and not the companies now being exposed by the law.. Because the law obviously didn't help stopping companies from doing shady shit and made the user experience of the web worse?

The law forced the companies to be explicit about what they do, and ask for consent.

The user experience is made shit by the companies doing shady things. If they didn't do shady shit, they wouldn't have to display any banner.

I'd rather be informed, at least I can make a decision that way.

Why shoot the messenger?

The part that is missing is making rejecting as easy as accepting. So far there are a lot of dark patterns, but there are sites that make it very clear and easy, and I appreciate it.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#109

Post by matsemann »

fguerraz wrote: post #107
llarsson wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few companies have been fined for violating the law, and we are seeing positive effects for privacy because of it. The cookie stuff, yes, it's annoying for us end users. I get it. But take how H&M were fined for violating the privacy of their employees. That they had to stop doing that is a Good Thing, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54418936

No, it is not a good thing. GDPR is a highly complex piece of legislation that is very hard to navigate and therefore only established companies with big bucks to spend on lawyers and extra engineering can profit from the ecosystem while everybody else is put at risk. Complex legislation and regulations is the best way to keep monopolies in place. Same goes for the financial sector, telecoms, etc. It's nearly impossi…

GDPR is sooo easy to follow as a startup. Just gather the data you need and not everything else,and ask for consent.

If anything, it was the big players getting work to do. Thousands of people on mailing lists with no control of how they got there. Asked and kept insane amounts of not necessary data. Data floating in hundreds of database tables spread over various services and third party vendors and data centers with no control. Cleaning up that was a huge job.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#110

Post by foobar33333 »

hutghkiuhg wrote: post #106
0x0 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you know, people could just disable cookies IN THE BROWSER SETTINGS if they don't like them. Which is the only place technical measures against cookies can be enforced anyways. And stop bothering the rest of us with these pointless popups.

Apparently THE LAW can force companies to put up these annoying popups. Couldn't THE LAW force companies to respect Do Not Track? Yes, yes, I know, smaller sites will not give a fuck. But I bet Google, FB and other ones will. Which is why they fight against this so hard. Just try enabling Do Not Track in Chrome and watch the scary dialogs you need to go through which will make regular people think it's a dangerous th…

The problem is, no one wants to be tracked. So it makes sense for browsers to default to the setting everyone wants. But then tracker tech can't respect the setting because it means just shutting down.
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