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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#102I don't understand the appeal for System76. It seems grossly overpriced. Is it simply because they install Linux for you? You can find the same processor with much better specs for cheaper on Amazon or Costco.
I certainly paid a bit extra for my Thelio, but it's incredibly cute on my desk (in a NeXTcube kind of way) and I didn't have to worry about finding the right permutation of parts to get everything up and running.
I'm sure I likely could have purchased and assembled the components myself and found a more spartan case and all that, but it felt a bit like Christmas using it for the first while.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#103Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.
I don't know what laptops you are looking at ?
The XPS 13 competes directly with the mac in terms of (familiar but) industrial design, standout display and inner design (with the white carbon fiber) and USB-C ports for a lifetime. Stating it first, because its the most obvious competitor.
The Razer, Asus, HP and Surface flagships have clear standout designs and similar features.
The only 2 laptops that are purposely boring are the Thinkpad and System76, because they seem to cater to people who need them as work machines, first and foremost. (LG Gram is not a flagship)
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple can design custom everything and has the economy of scale to justify it. The PC space is also more competitive, Apple managed to associate their brand with luxury and charge a huge premium for their hardware, a laptop with equivalent specs would struggle massively to sell at the same price when you could purchase similarly powerful laptops for half the cost that would run the same software. At this point Apple…
The Mac markup is not 100%.
For SSD upgrade prices, it is actually more than a 100% markup compared to retail prices for the most premium Samsung PCIe SSDs on the market. Apple's markup is multiple hundreds of percent compared to mid-range PCIe SSDs on the market.
Retail prices already include higher profit margins than bulk order prices would include, which makes this markup even more egregious.
I calculated it the other day, and Apple is charging $0.52/GB for SSDs on their M1 MacBook Air.
Samsung's 980 Pro is under $0.20/GB for the 1TB model on Amazon right now. That is arguably one of the best SSDs on the market right now, and I'm fairly sure Samsung' 980 Pro is actually significantly better than the internal SSD that Apple is using on the M1 MacBook Air.
That means Apple is charging a 160% markup above retail price, minimum.
The Western Digital SN550 1TB PCIe SSD is priced at about $0.10/GB at retail on Amazon, which means Apple is charging over a 400% markup relative to the retail prices of that perfectly good SSD. Most users would not be able to tell the difference between the SN550 and the internal SSDs Apple is currently using.
I recognize that other OEMs can sometimes charge steep upgrade markups too... but Apple's prices for storage are personally annoying to me because the M1 MacBook Air seems reasonably priced until you get into the upgrades. I wanted to get more storage, but I'm not going to pay $0.52/GB for additional storage these days... I just don't find it reasonable.
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#105I'd love to replace my thinkpad. But I need/want things that seem unavailable. * trackpoint + buttons (can be without touchpad, disabled anyway) * full keyboard * strong durable * removable battery * 4k screen * ecc 64-128gb * rj45 * lots of ports * hardware switches to disable: networking, camera, mic,.. Thinkpad's are move farther away each year. I hope some company will fill the gap.
I would cry tears of joy to get a laptop with mouse buttons. Trackpad gestures are a gimmick and so much harder to user than buttons. Apple did it to be "bold" and everyone copied them.
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#106Is this system better than, say, Lenovo Legion 5 or HP Envy, they have similar price, are those System76 laptop offer better build quality, etc?
I have owned multiple S76 machines - the machine was built by Clio? The guts were good, but the case was chintsy. I had four of these laptops - and on ALL 4 they would have screws come loose and fall out inside the case. You could hear it rattling around when you turned the machine. Two of them had one type of connector for the screen and the other two had a different connector - One got fried and on the other I brok…
I had good experiences with System76 support. I've bought 2 laptops off of eBay and had no problem getting support even though I wasn't the original owner since the original owner bought the 2 year support package. If I had a loose screw I would have removed the case and found it. They're reasonably able to diy and your warrant isn't voided just because you replaced the RAM. Apple support has gotten horrible based upon anecdotal experiences friends and family have had. The build quality isn't the greatest but having everything work well under Linux and be supported is a good thing. I gifted my Oryx Pro to my step-kid who uses it to play games etc. Linux battery/power management has never been great as this isn't the focus of most kernel developers and there is a lot of microcode optimizations that might be possible.
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#107I'd love to replace my thinkpad. But I need/want things that seem unavailable. * trackpoint + buttons (can be without touchpad, disabled anyway) * full keyboard * strong durable * removable battery * 4k screen * ecc 64-128gb * rj45 * lots of ports * hardware switches to disable: networking, camera, mic,.. Thinkpad's are move farther away each year. I hope some company will fill the gap.
I'm on the same boat as you: my ideal laptop would be an x220/x230 on the outside with a 1440p display and a modern CPU on the inside. I can't understand why Thinkpads are moving away from this absolutely perfect design in the name of... slickness? Why are laptops with a minimal (or non-existing) touchpad so difficult to find? Once you start using the trackpoint your wrists feel incredibly relaxed at all times. Why d…
The X1 nano is the same width and height as a X220 but half the thickness and significantly lighter. The X13 is very close to that too on the lower end. What would you change in those?
Having been a user of the old X lines throughout the years the current X/T and X1 lines seem like a definite improvement to me. And I also use the trackpoint exclusively.
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#108> Video Ports HDMI(w/HDCP) Would be really nice to use a proper modern DP instead of antiquated HDMI for this. Is it using Coreboot by the way?
HDMI is less hassle. Everything comes with a HDMI port these days, but a DP port is still more of a proper full Computer Monitor(tm) feature. My work just installed a whole bunch of projectors that have HDMI and VGA as input options. I have no idea where they found them.
Of course sometimes the HDMI fails due to DRM nonsense, so that's also an issue.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#109plot twist: you get corona if you touch it.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#110Just switched to a Gazelle from an old IdeaPad p400 touch. Full keyboard, beautiful screen, removable battery, extensive power management options, large trackpad, multiple color adjustable brightness back-lit keyboard so I can change it to red to avoid hurting my eyes, a real gpu, and powerful as all heck. I love it.