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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by Kelamir »

redisman wrote: post #78
browningstreet wrote: post #34

My teenage son asked me the other day what "grunge" and "goth" were. I was then trying to explain "subculture" and "counterculture", and it was surprisingly difficult to explain.. or convey, especially in the context of what he's seen so far in his life. I tried using examples of my own youthful adventures and communities -- still not easy.

Try explaining next that computing and gaming used to be subcultures/countercultures. I remember how Mortal Kombat and DOOM were going to cause the fall of civilization.

> I remember how Mortal Kombat and DOOM were going to cause the fall of civilization.

redisman, could you tell more about this?

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by greenonions »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Youtube apparently.

(This was sarcasm)

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Post by satellite2 »

twobitshifter wrote: post #48
TimedToasts wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is the least countercultural site I can imagine. It's still Top 10 in sites visited, is it not? It's the very zeitgeist of the times. Those examples weaken an otherwise good article.

Maybe Reddit as a whole, but what are your thoughts on WallStreetBets? It seems that WSB has all of the elements of a counterculture, although maybe diluted after the wide spread GME interest.

WSB seems like the definition of a smart hedge fund that managed to manipulate the market transparently. Everything there reeks of fake, manufactured and engineered "counter" culture

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Post by tablespoon »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #37
helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

> From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion, mainstream dark forest sites simply shift the balance of power from the platform itself to the most motivated and well-funded members of the platform This is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Also, voting systems take care of a lot of this, because naked…

>> From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion, mainstream dark forest sites simply shift the balance of power from the platform itself to the most motivated and well-funded members of the platform

> Also, voting systems take care of a lot of this, because naked propaganda spam gets downvoted by the users.

I disagree: crowdsourced moderation can only really take care of the most obvious crap, so it doesn't really take care of this problem.

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Post by TameAntelope »

satellite2 wrote: post #99
TameAntelope wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is and isn't true. One example of a countercultural movement that's been in the news recently is the DDoSecrets leaks/hacks (they get upset if you aren't clear that they're hackers). They've got a strong Twitter presence that helps them get their message out, but they conduct no "real" business on Twitter. So a counterculture can use the mainstream platforms, but they choose to do so only as a micr…

It seems like a very strong stance to say that the publicly advertised leaks and hacks are not financially motivated.

I've thought a lot about what you're saying here, and I see no indication that's the case (corrupt/ulterior financial motivations related to their leaks/hacks). I am very curious how the members of DDoSecrets make their money, though (not that it's any of my business), mostly because the Twitter accounts I've been following seem to have a pretty strong disgust response to the idea of making money off of hacking in general.

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Post by [deleted] »

TimedToasts wrote: post #33
kart23 wrote: post #20

I agree that you have to be essentially anonymous to take part in counterculture these days. But the author claims that Discord and Reddit are examples of counterculture. I wholeheartedly disagree, these platforms are overly sanitized, moderated by the company, not the community. On Discord, people get banned for empty mass reports, and they can delete servers as they please. Reddit is valuable for driving communitie…

Reddit is the least countercultural site I can imagine. It's still Top 10 in sites visited, is it not? It's the very zeitgeist of the times. Those examples weaken an otherwise good article.

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

I too would like to know this. I realize there's a rule one of the internet issue, but it's worth asking all the same.

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Post by keiferski »

imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more.

I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

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Post by airhead969 »

imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> We are the counterculture.

Isn't that a tad bit arrogant to stick a flag in all of it? See also: https://youtu.be/uEx5G-GOS1k

Youtube is "lame as fuck." Release everywhere to not be arbitrarily silenced because anything good is controversial, by definition.

Why abuse the word "counterculture" so many times? It comes across like you're trying too hard.

Good luck and I hope you find an audience rather than make at obscurity for the point of staying in obscurity.

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