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Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by gamblor956 »

subungual wrote: post #86
gamblor956 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I should have been more specific that collagen gets broken down into collagen peptides. I didn't think I needed to be that specific since it's like the difference between Calorie and calorie (i.e., the distinction is not relevant to the discussion on hand). We know that the body can use collagen without digesting it first because collagen masks are used to heal burn victims. See, for example: https://www.ncbi.nl…

Maybe I wasn't specific enough here. When I said "smaller peptides," I should have instead written "free amino acids, dipeptides and tripeptides." The two papers you cited refer to topical application, but your statement in your first comment said that it is easier to get collagen from dietary sources. What I'm asking for is what size of peptide you're calling a "collagen peptide" and a source supporting a mechanism…

Collagen peptides are some of the bioactive peptides referred to in your citation that are known to be capable of passing beyond the gut in more than de minimis quantities... (Though in this context, it's still a small amount of the collagen originally consumed, between 1-10%.)

See https://academic.oup.com/fqs/article/1/1/29/4791729 for a discussion of bioactive peptides.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by 8fGTBjZxBcHq »

hawk_ wrote: post #51
tpoacher wrote: post #42

I've actually noticed this effect on myself too. It's very pronounced in fact. I have a bad habit of biting my cuticles. I also happen to observe lent, effectively going vegan for 50 days every year. Typically my cuticles heal the next day, or two at most. But every single time I enter lent, suddenly my cuticles take more than a week to heal the same amount. The difference is very obvious, to me at least.

curious what kind of lent you observe that's for 50 days not 40.

Gonna be orthodox christian for sure. They do the vegan diet for lent and have a few extra weeks at the beginning. The extra weeks have slightly different rules and technically aren't part of lent but it amounts to about the same thing.

Grew up in a family that did this and still do it because I like the structure and changes through the year.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by ddorian43 »

arcturus17 wrote: post #78
bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

I lift heavy about 4x week. A lower-carb calorie-restricted diet makes me more alert and focused. On the other hand, I sleep like shit, my anxiety levels skyrocket, and I also feel moodier, particularly in the mornings. I also lose strength fairly quickly. Eating at a surplus with carbs makes me more lethargic, lazy and less focused, but I sleep far better, and I’m in a happier, more social, mood. And of course I can…

Seems normal carnivore diet to me. Check out Shawn Baker for more.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by ben_w »

centimeter wrote: post #99
ben_w wrote: post #61

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Given we’ve had the internet for over a generation with this issue being known that whole time, I don’t think that’s actually something we can do. Not in general, not from plain text.

I think only morons, autistics, etc have a habitually hard time identifying sarcasm. These are not the people we should optimize the web experience for.

Only when spoken, not when written: https://theconversation.com/why-is-sarcasm-so-difficult-to-d...

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by [deleted] »

sto_hristo wrote: post #82
DanBC wrote: post #59

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> Vegans are still omnivores, No they aren't. From New Oxford English Dictionary: > omnivorous > adjective (of an animal or person) feeding on a variety of food of both plant and animal origin.

Herbivores are reciprocal to omnivores. Vegans are not comparable to either. Vegans don't eat animals not because they can't, but because of their beliefs. The word vegan describes a belief, contrary to omnivore and herbivore that describe physiology. A human may choose to walk on all fours because they're insane, but they will still be a biped.

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Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by centimeter »

ben_w wrote: post #104
centimeter wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think only morons, autistics, etc have a habitually hard time identifying sarcasm. These are not the people we should optimize the web experience for.

Only when spoken, not when written: https://theconversation.com/why-is-sarcasm-so-difficult-to-d...

No, I have zero problem detecting sarcasm or irony in text. If you think about it for 5 seconds it's usually pretty clear.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by UncleOxidant »

chaimanmeow wrote: post #96
UncleOxidant wrote: post #31

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I was completely vegan for a couple of years. I went that way to avoid gallbladder surgery - it worked, I had no gallbladder pain on a vegan diet. I Supplemented with B12 and Vitamin D as those are typically low to non-existent in the vegan diet. But I started to have problems with my teeth chipping - hadn't had that before. I did some calculations and realized that there was no way I was getting anywhere close to th…

I always thought being calcium deficient is very difficult to do. But I've never had a vegan diet. I've always had a significant amount of dairy (yogurt/kefir, cheese) in my diet though, which contains enough calcium. (Pesco-vegetarian for a decade+ was the furtherst I got.) Sardines are great for DMAE---good brain food as well as other benefits (like plenty of calcium); good choice. Boron deficiency is far more comm…

> I always thought being calcium deficient is very difficult to do.

The RDA is 1000mg (goes higher as you get older, apparentlty). Broccoli is one of the higher vegan sources at about 100mg in a in a cup. Tofu (depending on how it's made) can be around 400mg in a cup. Beyond that tahini (seseme seeds) is pretty high at 420mg in 100 grams. But I wasn't consistently eating those foods every day. When I'd add up my total for a day I'd often come up with maybe 500mg.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by ben_w »

centimeter wrote: post #107
ben_w wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only when spoken, not when written: https://theconversation.com/why-is-sarcasm-so-difficult-to-d...

No, I have zero problem detecting sarcasm or irony in text. If you think about it for 5 seconds it's usually pretty clear.

If you have zero problem, you are unusual.

Please note who wrote this paper, considering what they are famous for, as well as the results: http://web-docs.stern.nyu.edu/pa/kruger_email_ego.pdf

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by DanBC »

sto_hristo wrote: post #82
DanBC wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vegans are still omnivores, No they aren't. From New Oxford English Dictionary: > omnivorous > adjective (of an animal or person) feeding on a variety of food of both plant and animal origin.

Herbivores are reciprocal to omnivores. Vegans are not comparable to either. Vegans don't eat animals not because they can't, but because of their beliefs. The word vegan describes a belief, contrary to omnivore and herbivore that describe physiology. A human may choose to walk on all fours because they're insane, but they will still be a biped.

That's not how language works.
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