Scrolled down to the bottom to look at the screenshots, but they look mildly stretched to me. Is anyone else seeing this?
FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
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Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of those points detract from the fact PGP is a complex nightmare to use. There's a reason millions of people have Signal/WhatsApp installed and not PGP. Even Media organisations have ditched it in favour of things like Securedrop (and/or Signal). I'd argue that Signal is much more widely adopted that PGP ever was.
I agree that a good interface is missing... But the protocol has all the capabilities needed. Nor is full support of every feature needed by every client. I think from a crypto strength perspective, it,s silly to reinvent the same thing over again. (The thing being basic PKI of just public/private keys and signed/encrypted messages.)
PGP is the giant, the shoulders of which many modern crypto apps/protocols stand on. PGP was the implementation that brought proper, trustable crypto to the masses. It was a great solution, filling a void where there was no good solution before it.
It's time is done though, for communicating between people. There are many better solutions where you don't need to worry about having the public key of every person you wish to communicate with. You no longer need to unlock your key every time you send a message to "prove" you sent it. The world has moved on to better technical solutions to those problems.
PGP was brilliant for its time. It still is brilliant for a number of uses cases (like verifying your Debian .deb file is signed by a legit Debian person)
However, communicating with people is no longer one of them. People HAVE invented/reinvented how to communicate securely. And the world's better for them having done so.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of interest, do you use a phone with a custom OEM firmware that has battery-saving features. I've seen issue with FairEmail (and other well-behaved foreground-service using apps) on some OEMs' firmwares. Heck, sometimes even big-name OEMs like Samsung cause issues. On "pure" Android (thinking Pixel, and the relatively pure Motorola devices, etc.) there's no delays at all - it's really impressive. I'll get the not…
It's a Pixel. Starting with 9 or 10, Android limits apps' background activity unless they show a notification (and probably has limits for those too when the screen is off). Plenty of apps had to deal with this, I have four of these notifications. These limits don't apply to notifications via Google's services (GCM or whatever they're currently called). So if you're using the Gmail app or another app for a specific m…
Interesting - I've not been able to reproduce this on a Pixel 3a or 4a 5G. FairEmail, with foreground notification, doesn't have any issues delivering notifications.
As you say, Google is making it a lot harder, but FE with a foreground notification seems to do this fine for me.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#104Am I the only one who can't make FairMail deliver mail faster than 15-20 minutes? The notification is on, the battery optimization for the app is off, still nothing. K9 actually receives the message earlier, despite not having a persistent notification.
This sounds like you are having an issue with the notifications. Does your server support IMAP IDLE? I'm wondering whether K9 is polling for email, and the server isn't supporting push messages via IDLE.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#105I was curious to see if FairEmail could work with OAuth without Google Play (I have a school Google account that does not allow me to log in without OAuth): https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-co... "OAuth for Gmail is supported via the quick setup wizard. The Android account manager will be used to fetch and refresh OAuth tokens for selected on-device accounts. OAuth for non on-device accounts…
No thanks for me, my gmail account will always remain disconnected from anything else.
Better have alternative google accounts for logins, android apps etc which are not tied to primary especially on the phone.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#106I was curious to see if FairEmail could work with OAuth without Google Play (I have a school Google account that does not allow me to log in without OAuth): https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-co... "OAuth for Gmail is supported via the quick setup wizard. The Android account manager will be used to fetch and refresh OAuth tokens for selected on-device accounts. OAuth for non on-device accounts…
Yes, I switched to it from K-9 for the work O365 we now have to use, sigh. (There is a large XOAUTH patch for K-9, but it hasn't been incorporated as far as I know.)
Not having that n the F-Droid version is a pain, but it does phone home to alert you about updates, one hopes without trafficking in that traffic.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I realise that this is not a common use case, but FairEmail is the only e-mail client I could find that supports TLS client authentication.
Does K9 not do this? I am certain it works with STARTTLS, it’s what I’m currently using. Do you mean just straight TLS connection at the start of session?
If it (K9) does, I certainly did not find a way to do it. Yet, it does not mean just straight TLS connection at the start of the session. Rather, it means that when the client (FairEmail, in this case) performs the handshake, it also sends its own certificate that the server can verify prior to finishing the handshake, therefore adding an extra layer of security.
Just to emphasise, this is probably not something that most people would ever need, but is certainly an important feature to me and something that FairEmail supports and apart from a rare few, nobody else does.
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, so you do trust them. You trust that they are too lazy to take the initiative to keep a copy, but merely untrustworthy enough that they might sneak a peek if they can do so without having to put forth even the minor effort of making backups of the spool directories. Fair enough, but that strikes me as a very odd risk posture to take. Either your email privacy is valuable to you, in which case I would think you wo…
There are tons of situations where not having everything on the server is beneficial. A hack will barely get them anything, neither a warrant or a bored employee. Of course any of those situations could result in an active tap that stores everything. But that is orders of magnitude more effort and still doesn't get any history. Just minimizing the attack surface.
This is my sentiment exactly. Why should I store decades of email history with an untrusted third party?
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#109Is anyone else getting this error on F-Droid? Download failed! The requested file was not found. https://f-droid.org/repo/eu.faircode.email_1518.apk How can I download this app? I use K-9 Mail at the moment, but I'd like to try this to see if it's any better.
I fixed this by disabling all mirrors except f-droid.org for the official F-Droid repo. (Settings > Repositories > F-Droid > Official mirrors)
Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android
#110I've been using SimpleMail. Seems to have all the same features as FairEmail but without banners and paid Pro-version.