This is unsurprising, especially given what happened with recent elections in third-world countries (like the United States).
Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
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Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
#102"... almost no government has the IT capacity and resources to single-handedly develop an eID quickly and to the appropriate standards." Bullshit. We're talking identity management here. Any government that can't handle that internally doesn't deserve to exist. What that's really about is feathering the nests of tech industry donors (and/or the non-tech middlemen or middlewomen who seem to grow like weeds around the…
Belgium has been doing digital identities for years now, we had our first identity cards with chip and digital signature I think 15 years ago? I frequently use it to sign documents and login to some government stuff. So if Belgium, which didn't have a government 3 out of the last 10 years, can do it, surely Switzerland can do it too.
Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
#103"... almost no government has the IT capacity and resources to single-handedly develop an eID quickly and to the appropriate standards." Bullshit. We're talking identity management here. Any government that can't handle that internally doesn't deserve to exist. What that's really about is feathering the nests of tech industry donors (and/or the non-tech middlemen or middlewomen who seem to grow like weeds around the…
> six months
I think you may underestimate the system needed. Identity management is the tip of the iceberg: this needs to tie into any future digital currency, income taxes, property ownership, government benefits, and who knows what else. Any off-the-shelf product will need customization. I’m not saying it can’t be done.... it SHOULD be done. But not in 6 months.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All persons have the right to receive respect for their private and family life, home, and secrecy of the mails and telecommunications. I really wish the US had this. Here, even simple acts like registering to vote or getting a driver license, bank account, credit card means your personal residence gets leaked to spammers, scammers, data brokers, and eventually, stalkers. There really should be laws saying that per…
I'm thinking of buying a condemned, uninhabitable house in a tax foreclosure auction simply so I can list it as my residential address. Most places that demand a utility bill will accept a property tax bill, so it doesn't even have to have working water/power (the cheapest doomshacks have both shut off). You'd be surprised how cheap some of these places are. But it does have to show up as "residential" in the USPS da…
My best solution right now is a UPS box, which gives you a proper street address.
Most places that ask for utility bills will accept a phone bill or insurance bill or some such which you can have arranged to be sent to that address.
I'd be interested to know if there are similar services that are cheaper and ideally less well-known than UPS but equally reliable. Delivery to my real address with the ability to trust them with my real address would also be cool to have.
BTW -- if you have cash to burn, I'd think that renting a cheap studio somewhere that you don't actually live in (and as a bonus, can use as a storage unit, or sublease to someone if the lease allows) would be cheaper and more peace-of-mind than dealing with property taxes, crime, pests, and other issues around an uninhabitable house in your name.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really admire the swiss political system & culture. It's has all the modern postulates of liberty & governance that most countries are striving for without the "scam orchestration"
The banning of minarets is a data point against this liberty.
I’m not for that ban, but I think that bit of direct democratic building code gets overly dramatized. Things like this serve to moderate the political landscape. If people feel like they stay in control throughout rising immigration from cultures they deem problematic, there is less of a tendency towards extremism. And so far I haven’t seen any extreme counter reaction in Muslim communities either. The soup is cooked hotter than it’s eaten.
Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
#106They are also incredibly xenophobic (i.e. Japanese levels).
Their economy is humming along without immigration, so why would they open it? I would have a hard time believing I'm in a minority of people who think immigration is not an economic consideration before a social one in western countries right now. I'm not saying I disagree with it at all, though.
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Are the "foreigners" mostly other Europeans?
What do you mean 'other Europeans'? There's a great variety of culture in Europe, it's a densely packed continent.
There really isn't. Europeans consistently wildly overestimate the difference in cultures between countries. The language barriers probably don't help there.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are the "foreigners" mostly other Europeans?
What do you mean 'other Europeans'? There's a great variety of culture in Europe, it's a densely packed continent.
I think he clearly is asking about the makeup of immigrants there being closely related European cultures because Switzerland has openly xenophobic policies towards Muslims, not historically Christian Europeans.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They are also incredibly xenophobic The Swiss are xenophobic? Eh? They welcome people from all over the world to come together to work towards peace and humanitarianism in their country. They host the only truly international humanitarian organisation in the world. They helped build many of the institutions that try to reduce conflict. Calling them xenophobic is bizarre.
>Calling them xenophobic is bizarre. You don't think the referendums on banning minarets and burqas are... Xenophobic in any form?
Look at their impact on world peace over the centuries rather than their opinions on architecture.
Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
#110Great, as they should. The basic civics should not be private, open and performed under the public eye.