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Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by EricE »

Applejinx wrote: post #26
windexh8er wrote: post #6

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The other thing is RAM. Apple still has delusions of gimping it's buyers into 16/32GB for "Pro" level machines. I'd probably buy a 16" MBP with this chip if I could get it with socketed 64/128GB. But Apple's going to solder it to the board and charge a premium even if they did.

Rules change. I've got one of the 16GB RAM Macbook Pros. They've got it acting like it's L2 cache instead of RAM as we know it, so the place where you need more than 128G becomes, well, the SSD, your mass storage. These things already don't act as if it's RAM as we're used to considering it. They could probably have shipped the first ones with 4G RAM and had 'em act relatively normal… with heavy stuff like 4K video e…

Yeah, I heard this too and nope - the M1 is not some magical RAM negating beast. If you actually need more RAM you still need more RAM even with the M1. I ended up returning mine (with much difficulty - me not really wanting to; Apple was more than willing to take it back) because if you need more than 16 you still need more than 16.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by EricE »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #34
snicksnak wrote: post #21

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Considering that Apple ditched Intel for their own Apple Silicon chips it makes more sense comparing them (for now).

Well, yes, if you look back so to say, you can put an older Intel MBP and a new one with M1 side by side and get a comparison showing the latter fares better. But when you look into the future, if you are a customer considering a purchase of a new laptop with Apple Silicon, they would benefit from a comparison with the top Zen 3 offerins, even though such a comparison might be much trickier than the one with Intel.

The new Zen 3 offerings are indeed tantalizing. Even if you never buy an Apple Silicon Mac, the kick in the pants it has no doubt delivered to both Intel and AMD benefits all of us.

And as a friend keeps reminding me, this is their cheapest entry level processor :)

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by sudosysgen »

gumby wrote: post #89
sudosysgen wrote: post #72

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Is it able to use 26.5W while using both GPU and CPU without degrading performance? The answer is no. 26.5W is only for the CPU. If you also need to use GPU then it throttles or consumes more.

It’s an SOC. Unless you consider the CPU basically just the ALU and register file (a quite reasonable but long outdated position) it’s all the same power budget for the M series.

It's a simple result. SoC or not, if total power consumption is at X with only the CPU while the GPU is inactive, then it will either be at >X when using both CPU and GPU at the maximum, or be slower in CPU performance.

This holds for SoCs or for systems that manage total power equally.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by cromwellian »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #36
cromwellian wrote: post #10

Even at double the GPU cores it’ll still get beat by an RDNA2 based Ryzen GPU. The current M1 is about equal to a GTX 1060 performance wise according to benches. Although the Zen3 based RDNA2 APU “Rembrandt” likely won’t be out until 2022 and we’ll have to settle for the Zen2 based Van Gogh in 2021.

A lot of things will probably beat it at performance, but not at lot of them will beat at GTX 1060 as well as Core i5 performance using only 26.5W of power while doing it. The performance of the M1 is remarkable, but the real killer feature is they managed to push that much performance while reducing power consumption.

That’s great and all but for people who are gamers or doing heavy work with the GPU they’re going to be plugged into power most of the time.

I’d rather have a chip that scales to high performance when plugged in and lower GPU performance when I’m on say an airplane or in a cafe, then one whose GPU performance is a half decade behind.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by nobleach »

wil421 wrote: post #81
nobleach wrote: post #74

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Ordered mine end of December, got it last Thursday. Glad you had a better experience!

Ordered mine at the end of November and received it the week of Christmas. M1 Air with 16gb RAM and 1TB drive.

Yup, same specs here. It was due on the 29th of Jan, but somehow got delayed. I've had a few other friends relay the same experience. I wonder how some people are having much better luck. I had the same experience in the Spring last year when I tried to order a MacBook Air for my daughter with 16 Gigs. I left it for a few weeks and then finally went back to Apple and cancelled as it looked to be an eternity before they'd be able to ship it.

Definitely glad other people are having a better experience.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by wayneftw »

Shadonototro wrote: post #82

i love my mac, can't wait for this upgrade people like to hate on the OS, but i find it super beautiful and easy to use i don't know how to describe it, but i feel good when i use my mac in contrast, everytime i have to boot windows, i feel like i'm oppressed by some corporate, i feel closed, the whole experience is boring, windows needs a serious REBOOT, not a reskin, a whole reboot, including deleting NTFS

As a Linux and Windows user I feel like a slave whenever I use a Mac.

Apple just doesn't let you do what you want, the way you want to do it. Any limitations that Linux has are purely technical, while Apple clearly limits users for profit. If you happen to be able to accept the limitations, great for you - I'd still feel dirty supporting a company that's clearly working towards a future where you have to pay them to put your own programs on your own devices.

Windows I just use for entertainment now but even for that set of functionality - I couldn't stand having to deal with a finicky Mac. My Mac Pro 2012 (which I bought used) won't even work with certain mice, keyboards or displays.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by GeekyBear »

sudosysgen wrote: post #70
rbanffy wrote: post #25

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It'd look less bad for AMD, but still wouldn't look brilliant. aarch64 allows some tricks that are much harder to pull off on amd64.

AMD still generally outpertforms Apple Silicon despite larger lithographies, so I don't really see it.

AMD Zen 3 outperforms on workloads that can take advantage of having more cores, but for single threaded workloads, it leads in some SPEC subtests and falls behind in others.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by rbanffy »

sudosysgen wrote: post #70
rbanffy wrote: post #25

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It'd look less bad for AMD, but still wouldn't look brilliant. aarch64 allows some tricks that are much harder to pull off on amd64.

AMD still generally outpertforms Apple Silicon despite larger lithographies, so I don't really see it.

> AMD still generally outperforms Apple Silicon despite larger lithographies

The single-core benchmarks I saw put the M1 against CPUs with amd64 cores running SMT (which is fair - SMT extracts about 20% of extra parallelism of an amd64 workload, something the M1 does using a humongous reorder buffer on a single thread) with the AMD (and latest Intel) parts showing a slight advantage.

They do so, however, at a much higher TDP which, if my own computers (all but the server under the desk) are any indication, will cause the x86's to throttle down in a couple seconds while the M1 will continue at full steam.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by Shadonototro »

wayneftw wrote: post #106
Shadonototro wrote: post #82

i love my mac, can't wait for this upgrade people like to hate on the OS, but i find it super beautiful and easy to use i don't know how to describe it, but i feel good when i use my mac in contrast, everytime i have to boot windows, i feel like i'm oppressed by some corporate, i feel closed, the whole experience is boring, windows needs a serious REBOOT, not a reskin, a whole reboot, including deleting NTFS

As a Linux and Windows user I feel like a slave whenever I use a Mac. Apple just doesn't let you do what you want, the way you want to do it. Any limitations that Linux has are purely technical, while Apple clearly limits users for profit. If you happen to be able to accept the limitations, great for you - I'd still feel dirty supporting a company that's clearly working towards a future where you have to pay them to…

I agree with most of your concerns, but i guess i'm up to a point where there isn't very much choice for quality ecosystems, and mac provides what i need, so here i am..

On my desktop i dualboot Linux/Windows, windows for games only, and linux for when i want 0 distractions at all and focus on programming

I wish i could nuke my windows partition and have linux/mac side by side, but gaming on linux is still a pain today..

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

sudosysgen wrote: post #72
8fingerlouie wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of things will probably beat it at performance, but not at lot of them will beat at GTX 1060 as well as Core i5 performance using only 26.5W of power while doing it. The performance of the M1 is remarkable, but the real killer feature is they managed to push that much performance while reducing power consumption.

Is it able to use 26.5W while using both GPU and CPU without degrading performance? The answer is no. 26.5W is only for the CPU. If you also need to use GPU then it throttles or consumes more.

It has a maximum power consumption of 39W, with an idle consumption of 6.8W. Both measured “on wall”, so including ram, storage and everything else.

Compare it to the previous (Intel) generation that uses 20W idle and 122W under load, while not matching the M1 in neither CPU nor GPU performance.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897

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