Would you drive to Tahoe in the snow with this?
If I can use it with my 4x4 that has a winch.
Autopilot on Cars for $999
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#102Not sure I'm so keen on Python driving my car. I've looked through some of the code and I think for me to buy into the safety the quality of the code would need to be improved, well commented, and audited.
Plus, the actual driving model is a black box, so there's really not a lot here that's any more reassuring than any other black box lane-keep-assist system on the market, and there's been an active resistance to apply any form of rigor to the system or produce any actual test data from the Comma company for many years (with the argument being that the system is simply an augmented lane keeping system and is just a supplement to the driver etc. etc. and thus does not need to be held to any sort of standard of safety or compliance - where have we heard that one before?)
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#103It seems like the market for a product like this (augmenting older vehicles) will diminish over time as more and more vehicles come with these features plus rolling updates and more advanced sensors standard. If this proves to be the case, I wonder what the company will do to pivot
So far there are only 2 car companies with comparable quality, Tesla, and GM with Supercruise ( available on only 1 model ).
This is intended to provide functionality for all the rest
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#104Is it correct Comma.AI sees this as the following statement below appears to say, or am I missing something? If so, why would anyone be using this product outside of a test environment that’s fully controlled? — “Any user of this software shall indemnify and hold harmless comma.ai, Inc. and its directors, officers, employees, agents, stockholders, affiliates, subcontractors and customers from and against all allegati…
So it's like Tesla?
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#105Would you drive to Tahoe in the snow with this?
Not sure that's the right question to ask. It takes two hours to get from San Francisco to Auburn, and it's highly unusual to have snow there. Setting aside that I80 is generally cleared of snow very quickly, two hours of lane assist seems nice before tackling the remainder. And in most cases, it's more like "use this all the way to truckee and then drive the last 30 mins to squaw valley"
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Tesla’s product also requires driver monitoring. They explicitly say so, so your statement is clearly false. Please state your evidence on this. Do they have a powerful driver monitoring system already? Is it being used?
They do. You have to touch the steering wheel everything couple minutes to prove you are focused. Video: https://youtu.be/QNadmzp_9Ag?t=292
Great, by definition a drunk or sleepy person can have their hands on the wheel to prove they are focused.
This system is very powerful indeed.
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#107It seems like the market for a product like this (augmenting older vehicles) will diminish over time as more and more vehicles come with these features plus rolling updates and more advanced sensors standard. If this proves to be the case, I wonder what the company will do to pivot
Perhaps they are waiting for someone to buy them. Even though most of their software is open source, the crucial parts are still closed IP. If it is really better than the current LKA systems and has the potential to handle even more driving scenarios in the future, it will be an easy decision for a big auto company that needs to quickly catch up.
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#108Anyone know if this has killed someone yet?
Human life is sacred. Absolutely. but. If we are concerned with cars killing people, we should get rid of cars. This FUD around self-driving == killing people will, in the long-term, cause more deaths than the handful of sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths. The only reason those car crashes get national attention is because they were self-driving. In every other way they are boring. Bicyclists hit by ca…
Another way to think about it is to ask how many lives could have been saved with this (or any other) system.
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#109there's no way this is being sold into the EU.
It won't be sold but it will be used, it's open source.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
> sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths. I disagree that they're sensationalized. Self-driving systems are designed to improve user safety, but when they end up making mistakes that human drivers _wouldn't_ make then it's appropriate to thoroughly investigate these systems. > is because they were self-driving. Well, precisely. We tolerate driving accidents because we know that the mobility that cars provi…
> human drivers _wouldn't_ make But human drivers make a lot of mistakes that computer drivers _wouldn't_. If it is safER than humans - it is better. No need to be perfect.
And the way you establish safety is by doing a lot of miles with trained employees and clearly established liability, not by releasing alpha software to the untrained public with complete liability disclaimers.