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Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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djoldman wrote: post #32
whatshisface wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without making any kind of statement of whether I agree with this ethical framework, I think it's pretty straightforward to assign more or less blame depending on the specialization of the technology for the purpose of doing something evil. In an ethical framework where manufacturers could be culpable for the uses of their products, iron refiners would have specks of micro-sins on the 0.001% level, whereas torture ra…

In US society/laws, it seems that the vast majority of blame is ascribed to the entity who last causes an event to occur. So the blame in the following sequence: 1. Miner mines iron 2. Manufacturer makes knife 3. Retailer sells knife to person A 4. Person A kills person B with the knife I think most people living in the US would be ok with the general idea that person A should be held responsible for killing person B…

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Post by pid_0 »

djoldman wrote: post #8

>Alex Hanna, the Google ethicist who criticized the Neurips speech-to-face paper, told me, over the phone, that she had four objections to the project. First, ...Second, ....Third, ....Finally, the system could be used for surveillance. I'm curious about this. As I understand it, an ethicist is objecting to the publication of software that could be used for surveillance. If that is correct, does it follow that this e…

She works for GOOGLE as an ethicist. The joke just writes itself

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Post by kepler1 »

Digressive rant begin.

Well forgive me for being so intolerant to state such an offensive opinion, but I'm really getting fed up with transgender issues taking front and center with every possible place they can insert themselves, as if they're our top priority when in reality they're a 1% problem. Ironic when you think of what groups actually push this.

I personally have never seen such an issue be so flogged to death by a willing majority of self-proclaimed liberal society who probably have never even spoken directly in a conversation to a transgender person.

Worse, it makes it seem like we don't have equally important yet bigger civil rights issues that have not even yet been resolved. Personal pronouns, ambiguous "they" speech, policing algorithms for transgender hate, contorting ourselves as if we're majority transgender and being persecuted left and right.

Look, I'm not saying anyone of any group should be made to feel disadvantaged. Or that a minority just because few in numbers should be overlooked.

But for fucks sake, enough with transgender agenda being made to seem like it's the top concern of society, ahead of those who have been patiently waiting in line for their fair treatment.

/end

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Post by nine_k »

A12-B wrote: post #99
efitz wrote: post #86

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I’m not worried about that at wrt courts; they already know how to handle hearsay and log files and other digital evidence subject to tampering. I’m worried about social media and news wrt deep fakes. With today’s media climate I can see this being exploited to trash someone’s reputation or spin a narrative way faster than anyone would be able to reliably prove the fakery. Imagine someone faking a video of you using…

I don't think this is as much of a problem as the majority of hackernews seems to think. Of course, that is controversial to say here, but I was told I shouldn't be conventional minded. At the end of the day the world is shaped more by material conditions than ideas. That doesn't excuse the cases you're worried about, but I think the majority of violently polarising media will only end up being so because there was a…

> more by material conditions than ideas

I suppose you have heard about religions and faiths. I'd hazard to say that about 1000 years of European history was shaped primarily by them. Major wars fought, new countries founded, major discoveries and inventions made or unmade and prohibited, people's daily lives shaped and defined.

A similar thing has been occurring to Arabic world and neighboring peoples for about 1500 years, and is actively continuing now.

Looking at the current situation in the US is also illustrative.

I would say that ideas greatly prevail over material conditions once immediate survival is secured.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Post by pedrosorio »

nradov wrote: post #100
AngrySkillzz wrote: post #77

People are already contributing code and resources to the actual catastrophic, existential AI risk du jour, the one that is likely to cause massive political disruption and potentially attendant destruction of value and/or human life: the algorithmic news feed.

Do the various social media news feeds actually use a significant amount of AI? I had understood they mostly used simpler, less computationally expensive statistical algorithms.

As usual, it depends on what falls under your definition of AI.

What kind of simpler statistical algorithms do you believe are used in news feeds (which do not belong in the "AI" category)?

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Post by refenestrator »

klyrs wrote: post #97
refenestrator wrote: post #67

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But the underlying situation is biased. The data could be both accurate and unfair. Is it, just don't do data, same interest rate for everyone, no denials and amortize defaults across higher rates for lower-risk borrowers? You'd need a law, the first bank to do that would be crushed by other banks that can attract the lower-risk borrowers with lower rates.

> You'd need a law, the first bank to do that would be crushed by other banks that can attract the lower-risk borrowers with lower rates. Curious. Is your answer to the title "we need laws to regulate AI?" I'm not specifically agreeing or disagreeing.

I'm just talking about the bank loan thing. If you want all people to have access to bank loans on equal terms regardless of income or other signals, you'd have to enforce that with a law.

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Post by gweinberg »

elihu wrote: post #68
chairmanwow1 wrote: post #4

I find Alex’s comments pretty openly inflammatory and sensationalist. It’s a pretty far throw from a system that predicts a face from a voice to transphobia.

I agree to the extent that labeling something as "transphobic" is a stretch when the researchers probably didn't even think about transgender people at all. Maybe "transinconsiderate" would be a more accurate label? Or Alex could have just said "this research reinforces cultural stereotypes and prejudices in ways that could cause problems for people like me sometime down the line". On the other hand, I think it's leg…

Their mistake was just one of labeling. The software was not predicting gender identity, it was predicting biological sex.

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Post by slavik81 »

nine_k wrote: post #104
A12-B wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is as much of a problem as the majority of hackernews seems to think. Of course, that is controversial to say here, but I was told I shouldn't be conventional minded. At the end of the day the world is shaped more by material conditions than ideas. That doesn't excuse the cases you're worried about, but I think the majority of violently polarising media will only end up being so because there was a…

> more by material conditions than ideas I suppose you have heard about religions and faiths. I'd hazard to say that about 1000 years of European history was shaped primarily by them. Major wars fought, new countries founded, major discoveries and inventions made or unmade and prohibited, people's daily lives shaped and defined. A similar thing has been occurring to Arabic world and neighboring peoples for about 1500…

In many cases, the religious conflict is just a pretext for an underlying power struggle. The reformation of the Church of England by Henry VIII, for example, was blatantly a political decision, not a matter of religious conviction.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Post by nomoreusernames »

pedrosorio wrote: post #105
nradov wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the various social media news feeds actually use a significant amount of AI? I had understood they mostly used simpler, less computationally expensive statistical algorithms.

As usual, it depends on what falls under your definition of AI. What kind of simpler statistical algorithms do you believe are used in news feeds (which do not belong in the "AI" category)?

hey professor, us dumdums wanna know if statistical algorithms could become sentient and spread through memes by hijacking innocent humans looking for a sale on amazon? my main fear is that it mutates to alibaba and they get hold of the factory thats printing the crap we are buying. because then they can steal 0.0000001% of the resources like in that movie with that guy when they did that thing... remember? anyway, and print out an army of kamikaze meme cats from behind the moon (you know its hollow right? i read it on youtube).

so yeah how far is dna from statistical algorithms? do i need to start training my dog how to fetch statistical algorithmic androids bout now?

thanks

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