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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by kergonath »

aksss wrote: post #85
kergonath wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…

I’m not sure the federal government has the plenary power to enforce such things in the United States. So it was never an option. Authoritarian governments or single-state nations are better able to mandate behavior. The lockdowns, even as implemented, extracted an enormous toll on small businesses and mental health.

> I’m not sure the federal government has the plenary power to enforce such things in the United States.

I am certain it hasn’t. But the same reasoning applies for state governments. Having public health decisions taken at the county level is sheer madness.

> The lockdowns, even as implemented, extracted an enormous toll on small businesses and mental health.

This is entirely true, and I hope this will make people and governments take health issues and depression more seriously. Now, we don’t have an alternative earth to experiment, but whether one strict lockdown for 6 months followed by progressive reopening is better or worse for people and the economy compared to a succession of waves and partial lockdowns with no end in sight should certainly be discussed.

This is even more skewed in countries that do not have a proper safety net and where people have the choice between going to work ill or not having a job.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by the8472 »

kergonath wrote: post #67
katbyte wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on what that situation is?

Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…

>> If the Western world would have done what the WHO advised at the time, we all more or less would have a COVID stuation like the Chinese have for some time.

> Mask early

Are we living in the same timeline?

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1243972193169616898 https://twitter.com/UNGeneva/status/1244661916535930886 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1234095938555260929 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1234871709091667969 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1234619007841525764

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by garrettgrimsley »

elif wrote: post #69
f430 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the CCP is innocent why not prove it to the world by sharing their data? Why hide things?

In modern discourse we use the acronym CPC rather than CCP. Unless of course you are intentionally invoking red scare era politics. Edit: ah rip karma. who was I kidding. Why would you ever promote neutral discourse when you can take sides.

“commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by loveistheanswer »

mgamache wrote: post #79

If anyone is tempted to associate 'lab leak' with xenophobia or anti-Chinese sentiment, please remember the WIV lab was in partnership with the U.S. NIH (National Institutes of Health). https://www.biospace.com/article/1nih-awards-ecohealth-allia...

Also noteworthy is Dr. Fauci has been a long time proponent and sponsor of gain of function experiments as head of the NIAID, the infectious diseases arm of the NIH.[1]

After a few different US lab leaks involving anthrax, smallpox, and avian flu in 2014 the Obama administration put a ban on the fuding of gain of function research.[2]

The ban was eventually overturned in 2018.[3]

[1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-wor...

[2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-anthrax-labs-analysis...

[3]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

throwawaysea wrote: post #50
endisneigh wrote: post #21

Forgive my ignorance but even if it was lab created, so what? I don’t really understand why it matters or not. Didn’t the entire world basically have a nearly 3 month heads up on this either way?

It’s not necessarily lab created but it could have been leaked from a lab (which studies coronaviruses and bats) even if it wasn’t artificial. It matters because it lays more blame on China and creates the political expediency needed for sanctions. I do agree that there should be consequences for the Chinese government regardless of whether the virus was a leak or not (or artificial or not), and that it isn’t depende…

How does that help the World fight the pandemic? All that does is provide a reason for political actions, that people already want to take, to stem Chinese power and maintain USA imperialism.

If a country choose not to shut its airports doesn't mean your country has to accept incoming flights. If a country thinks people are coming in with a pandemic disease and don't shut the entry points (ports/airports) that's on that country's leadership.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by Toutouxc »

kergonath wrote: post #67
katbyte wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on what that situation is?

Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…

I remember that at the time when we were masking up in the Czech Republic (first half of march, maybe..?), WHO was actually talking a lot about the dangers of face masks when used too eagerly and improperly. Or at least that was what had gotten through our mainstream media.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by underseacables »

It will take generations before China will recover from the Wuhan virus outbreak. However it happened, because of the CCP suppressing facts, people, and information, the harm to any credibility the Chinese government had is gone for some time. This could have been the China century, but for generations there will always be that doubt.

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Post by Aunche »

aksss wrote: post #85
kergonath wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…

I’m not sure the federal government has the plenary power to enforce such things in the United States. So it was never an option. Authoritarian governments or single-state nations are better able to mandate behavior. The lockdowns, even as implemented, extracted an enormous toll on small businesses and mental health.

I think it's more of a cultural difference rather than government one. Korea and Taiwan are democracies and managed to control the pandemic as well. The US government has the authority to declare martial law, but doing so would completely undermine people's faith in the government.

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Post by malandrew »

the-dude wrote: post #37
renewiltord wrote: post #5

The WHO is a useless organization. For political reasons, it will be necessary to engage, but hopefully US authorities will not treat it as an information source. The US should use its own primary sources in future to evaluate disease spread. China will lie to the WHO and the WHO will protect it. But to know the truth, we should use our modern equivalents of Key Hole. There is no truth but that which you have examine…

I watched the WHO press briefings in about the first month. If the Western world would have done what the WHO advised at the time, we all more or less would have a COVID stuation like the Chinese have for some time.

Re: masks, you need to remember that China pretty much shut down all exports of PPE to keep it for domestic use. There wasn’t much more the rest of the world could have done to follow that directive. Even those of us that did have some stockpiled were asked to donate them to hospitals. Masks were hard to come by for a while until a cottage industry popped up to create second-rate masks.
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