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Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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I think it goes more the other way around. Successful people prefer to look attractive, so they take the necessary steps to achieve that. Elon M would be an example, I guess. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7378972

Yes, we all know that time when Musk decided to grow taller.

Yes, we all know that time when Musk decided to grow t̶a̶l̶l̶e̶r̶ hair.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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Here’s a hot take on that front: “ The well-known association between height and earnings is often thought to reflect factors such as self esteem, social dominance, and discrimination. We offer a simpler explanation: height is positively associated with cognitive ability, which is rewarded in the labor market.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709415/

I think it's definitely true that attractiveness indicators correlate with characteristics like intelligence. If you think about it, this shouldn't actually be that surprising; it would be silly if the factors that went into sexual selection had no correlation with survival-boosting traits.

Hm, perhaps I'm reasoning about this correctly, but wouldn't you think the opposite? Being attractive provides evolutionary slack that requires less optimization on other characteristics (like intelligence), and vice versa.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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That's called being old. Generally considered out of date, unable to learn new stuff :-)

It depends, if your "master of many" list is all old technologies, or all new technologies.

How about the newest version of an old technology

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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my theory: depth == salary, width == mobility. depth is risky - when time is right, you make a ton of money; opposite also true.

width is a hedge - you don't get paid as much, but you can land a job quickly, because you can plug into any team

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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The point that "on a long enough time line, wisdom is always more valuable than knowledge" is pretty irrelevant to tech companies. They hire engineers to get stuff done quickly - not slowly gather "wisdom". The average tenure at a tech company continues to be a few years. Also, I've noticed that entry-to-mid level jobs are great for "short and fat" engineers, but once you start aiming for senior (or higher) level IC…

> If you stay "short and fat", you're setting your career trajectory up for failure.

Is staying short and fat really an option? Aren't you always specialising in the problem domain / tech stack that you're currently working with?

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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The argument of specialist vs generalist is futile. They simple fit in distinct parts of the journey and evolution of a software product. Generalists are highly valuable for many types of orgs and projects especially nascent projects. But sometimes you need the precise output of a specialist to achieve something. If my business has a product that is highly dependent of let's say OpenGL, then an OpenGL specialist will…

You're going to pay more for a specialist but in shorter bursts whereas you're going to need generalists in longer stretches. Generalists are where your tribal knowledge and lessons learned are going to live. Generalists are also more likely to move into management because of the perspective they bring and adaptability inherent in being a generalist.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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> Especially companies having "dev ops" engineering model, where engineers must be able to work on all stages of the product lifecycle - from design, development, testing, to deployment and operations. This is what DevOps is _supposed_ to be but often not what "DevOps Engineers" are hired to be. In my experience most companies hire DevOps Engineers that are one of two things: 1) Sysadmins that also know Python and wh…

Some would see this as a cynical take, but I’ve experienced it so many times, and am feeling such burnout from it that I started pondering this week if I’d be better served applying directly to developer roles instead of anything to do with DevOps; seems no one but the most highest of highly functioning teams seem to grok it. Wonder if that makes me a cynic. Would a cynic admit to being a cynic? Probably. Anyway. Nic…

I don't think it's cynical at all... it's just an unfortunate reality. New things come along and people try to fit them into existing frameworks. Words' meanings evolve over time. People that don't actually do technical work often end up being responsible for placing and managing the people that do; sometimes their notions of roles and responsibilities don't align with ours.

> I’ve experienced it so many times, and am feeling such burnout from it that I started pondering this week if I’d be better served applying directly to developer roles instead of anything to do with DevOps

I, too, am glad to see that I'm not the only one that's had this experience. I wish you the best of luck in "breaking the cycle". Hang tough!

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