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Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#101

Post by TeMPOraL »

grey_earthling wrote: post #87
tomcam wrote: post #24

> We're suffering from success and our Discord was the first casualty. You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. That room was golden and the people that run it are awesome. We blocked all bad words with a bot, which should be enough, but apparently if someone can say a bad word with weird unicode icelandic characters and someone can…

> you don't get to hang out with your friends anymore Yeah you do, just not in someone else's space. Like if you want to bellow out some Klingon opera, you can, but they're gonna throw you out of Tesco. Is "my house, my rules" really so hard to understand?

> Is "my house, my rules" really so hard to understand?

People are waking up to the bait&switch the on-line platforms are. They do everything they say to pretend they're the public square, short of saying it, but when push comes to shove, they reveal themselves as private owners with an agenda.

What's doubly annoying is that governments worldwide decided to participate. When politicians' primary channel of communicating with their constituents/subjects is through Twitter, you could morally argue that it should be treated as public square. That one is on the politicians though.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#102

Post by kart23 »

Hopefully they can migrate to a forum. Some subs that have been deplatformed have been very successful with phpBB, believe it or not. Moderation tools make it much easier to ban and harder for potential bad actors to have an impact on the community.

Downside is growth, but I don't think you can get much better than a tweet from Elon and attention from every major news network.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by sam_dal »

ng12 wrote: post #11

> On both Discord and Reddit, wallstreetbets users frequently refer to themselves collectively as “retards” and “autists,” and have been known to deploy the kinds of racial slurs and deliberately offensive language that have become commonplace in 4chan-style posting forums. I read WSB daily for years and cannot recall a single usage of a racial slur. They definitely referred to themselves as autists/retards in a self…

Discord has to worry more about it's financial sources than community. I suppose "power that be" applied little pressure to boot out the community.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#104

Post by hoseja »

grey_earthling wrote: post #87
tomcam wrote: post #24

> We're suffering from success and our Discord was the first casualty. You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. That room was golden and the people that run it are awesome. We blocked all bad words with a bot, which should be enough, but apparently if someone can say a bad word with weird unicode icelandic characters and someone can…

> you don't get to hang out with your friends anymore Yeah you do, just not in someone else's space. Like if you want to bellow out some Klingon opera, you can, but they're gonna throw you out of Tesco. Is "my house, my rules" really so hard to understand?

Surely you can't be serious after what happened to Parler. You just can't period, short of building your own infrastructure.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#105

Post by proc0 »

The reason censorship doesn't work is because the idea is still in the banned person's head. Denying access hardly does anything to change someone's mind.

Sure, every company has the right to do what they want with their "platform", but don't be surprised if in the future these people persist into new platforms to share their ideas. New platforms that will be controlled by them with no possibility of censorship, or worse, the opposite type in an attempt to reverse the damage.

"keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"

And this is granting the justification for censorship, which of course most of the time is just about power and control, with innocent people paying the price.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#106

Post by bambataa »

s5300 wrote: post #4
natrik wrote: post #3

"We're suffering from success and our Discord was the first casualty. You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. That room was golden and the people that run it are awesome. We blocked all bad words with a bot, which should be enough, but apparently if someone can say a bad word with weird unicode icelandic characters and someone can…

Yeah this was a low blow from Discord I get they're probably scared as hell, but they don't even take care of the child porn or child grooming Discords. It's not even slightly paranoid to say that somebody gave financial incentive to make this happen, but for them to censor with absolute bullshit reasoning behind it... This is just not good.

Are you saying Discord openly permits groups that share child porn? Or discusss how to find it? I could understand the latter if the discord itself has nothing illegal but that’s still pretty shocking.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#107

Post by cccc4all »

wolverine876 wrote: post #84

Why should I care about them? They are perpetrating a financial bubble that will harm its participants, the economy (possibly to a significant degree), and that is specifically designed to hurt certain people. They are encouraging a mechanism that could do far more damage in the future. It's an angry, violent mob, and what I see looks very much like other violent, angry mobs I've seen recently, including the portraya…

You have fallen victim to propaganda by wall street billionaire vultures. This is not a bubble. This is a high stakes market movement speculation game that billionaire vulture short sellers are playing. They just got careless and lazy and got caught in money losing position. Now, these billionaire vultures are crying and whining to the government to help them with bailouts and change the rules in the middle of the game.

WSB is playing the game fair and square. It's the billionaires that's been short selling and manipulating the markets that got caught with their pants down.

WSB is squeezing the greed out of billionaire vulture short sellers, which has gotten so brazen that they have painted themselves into a corner. Usually, they get away with these kind of shenanigans. But this time, someone who knew the game saw the positions and realized that other player had the edge using a winning strategy. All they have to do is drive the price higher and short sellers have to buy at whatever price to cover their positions.

Think of it like this, someone has to buy an item that you have, at any price. What price would you charge?

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#108

Post by pixelatedindex »

wolverine876 wrote: post #84

Why should I care about them? They are perpetrating a financial bubble that will harm its participants, the economy (possibly to a significant degree), and that is specifically designed to hurt certain people. They are encouraging a mechanism that could do far more damage in the future. It's an angry, violent mob, and what I see looks very much like other violent, angry mobs I've seen recently, including the portraya…

What r/wsb is doing is fundamentally no different than hedge funds. Wall Street constantly makes trades that move the market, and nobody bats an eye.

Now when it's some self deprecating band of screaming mad lads beat hedge fund managers at their own game, suddenly it's foul play and the free market must be regulated. Doubly so if they are loud and make stupidly idiotic trades that go against the grain of any financial wisdom passed out in the past century and win out big time - how dare they?!

PS: They haven't sold their positions, and I'm sure by the time they expire some of them will definitely have won big time.

PPS: I also like to think of the man or woman who had some shares sitting in the account that they got from working for Gamestop a couple of decades ago, thinking it was worthless now. Until some dumbasses on the internet went and skyrocketed their net worth for no apparent reason other than for shits and giggles.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#109

Post by midasuni »

hoseja wrote: post #104
grey_earthling wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you don't get to hang out with your friends anymore Yeah you do, just not in someone else's space. Like if you want to bellow out some Klingon opera, you can, but they're gonna throw you out of Tesco. Is "my house, my rules" really so hard to understand?

Surely you can't be serious after what happened to Parler. You just can't period, short of building your own infrastructure.

Live by the cloud, die by the cloud.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

#110

Post by zpeti »

divs1210 wrote: post #93

The time is ripe for Decentralized Social Media Networks and Decentralized Finance. Exciting times!

Except that they are also saying they weren't given the mod tools they needed. And I'm not sure how you moderate decentralised social media.

I say this as the founder of Retalk.com, which we built exactly for this type of situation. I sincerely hope WSB decide to move platform and join us. We can give them the exact mod tools they need.

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