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Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by loulouxiv »

omneity wrote: post #16

CollapseOS provides the computation substrate, but is anyone thinking about the kind of computations post apocalyptic communities / individuals might be needing to run? I imagine things like ledgers, basic simulations, farming yield prediction... I couldn't find design documents besides the technical constraints it is willing to be compatible with.

I think on of the main goals of CollapseOS is to keep the ability to program micro-controllers, which could be at least be useful for sensor networks and automation

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #85
Guthur wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the brief thinking I've ever done about the collapse in these scenarios is to potentially band together with some like minded friends and try to setup some subsistence group with hunting, light farming and security. Firearms are highly regulated where I am from which makes the first and last a little more difficult than they potentially could be. I really never gave it that much thought to be perfectly frank. T…

Light farming and hunting won’t work unless something like >50% of the population dies off quickly. Even then you’d still need to have everyone spread out pretty evenly across the countryside, be able to learn how to plant and do it on time. You’d be going back to subsistence farming which is extremely hard work. Fertilizer and fuel for tractors would not be replenished. You’d have to learn how to save seeds, irrigat…

In the UK we only just survived the WW2 blockade, with a highly centrally planned push to expand local agriculture to cover missing imports. Loss of imports forever will kill over 50% of the population, slowly.

The problem with transitioning to draft animals is preventing them getting eaten in the collapse. We'd probably also run out of trees in a few years.

(Collapsists should make more study of WW2, such as Beevor's magnificent, horrifying Stalingrad. Or the siege of Leningrad. Surrounded Soviet civilians died by the millions. And that wasn't a collapse in the collapsist sense, the social, legal and technological order remained somewhat intact)

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

#103

Post by webmaven »

mastazi wrote: post #84
Meph504 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firearms are highly regulated where I am from which makes the first and last a little more difficult than they potentially could be. In a collapse they won't be, and those willing to seize them, will be at a great advantage, police dept. military bases, even countries whose population don't have access to an abundance of guns doesn't mean there isn't an abundance in the country. In almost any scenario where governmen…

> Hell is other people, best bet since the time of the plague, you want to survive go where others aren't. I have played for a while on a Minecraft "anarchy server"[1]. You could consider it a very, very rough approximation of how anarchy would play out in real life. Your statement (if you are in a fixed location, people will find a way) closely mirrors my experience. Even though, in the Minecraft natural environment…

> If you are a new player, the most challenging part is escaping spawn (the area where new players start from, which is also the only crowded area in the game). This is pretty hard because spawn is a wasteland with no natural resources left (in Minecraft you have a hunger meter so if you can't find food you will eventually die), and in addition spawn is populated by armed players who kill new players as a pastime.

Hmm. Is cannibalism an option?

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

#104

Post by JNRowe »

kreeben wrote: post #70

I imagine that if an apocalypse occurs during our era, the internet era, our first main technological endeavor would be to build an internet out of scraps of hardware we would find sprinkled almost homogeneously all over earth (phones, old C64's etc) so that we could once again start organizing ourselves and reach out to our fellow human beings and in this reoccurring daydream of mine I always end up thinking long an…

There is a nice subplot in After the End - Survival¹ that deals with this. In it a well respected cardiologist finds himself useless post collapse, and is suffering from obvious minor medical problems.

¹ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25061009-after-the-end--...

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by gruturo »

skissane wrote: post #3

On https://collapseos.org/why.html he says: > I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030 What's he going to say if we get to 2030 and his predicted collapse hasn't happened yet? "I was wrong" or "It's just taking a little longer than I expected"?

It doesn't really matter what he says - his initiative, in my point of view, is like an insurance policy.

What do you say if you paid for health insurance, car insurance, but nothing at all happened to you over the course of the decade? Nothing. You count yourself lucky and keep paying.

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by imtringued »

notjustanymike wrote: post #88
kreeben wrote: post #70

I imagine that if an apocalypse occurs during our era, the internet era, our first main technological endeavor would be to build an internet out of scraps of hardware we would find sprinkled almost homogeneously all over earth (phones, old C64's etc) so that we could once again start organizing ourselves and reach out to our fellow human beings and in this reoccurring daydream of mine I always end up thinking long an…

The most likely networked computers to survive will be banking computers, so time to brush up on your... ...Fortran? Oh dear. Nevermind, I'll just be a raider.

With some luck you are going to find a prepper basement with a Raspberry Pi cluster.

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by imtringued »

dejv wrote: post #54
omneity wrote: post #16

CollapseOS provides the computation substrate, but is anyone thinking about the kind of computations post apocalyptic communities / individuals might be needing to run? I imagine things like ledgers, basic simulations, farming yield prediction... I couldn't find design documents besides the technical constraints it is willing to be compatible with.

Most of the machinery both industrial and in home are now computer controlled. Things like furnaces, CNC machining centers and lathes.

Actually, manual lathes and mills tend to keep their value. You can often find century old machines in reasonable condition.

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

#108

Post by gruturo »

agumonkey wrote: post #17

Makes me wonder what's the cheapest most efficient application class chip out there. Esp8266 ? I assume it's not the best but I'm not too aware of the MCU world.

Today, probably the ESP32 is the most bang for the buck - unless there's something more cost competitive and equally widespread, which didn't come to my mind.

Notably, an ESP32 based on RISC-V is due shortly, with an expected price of $1. Wifi, BT5+BLE, 400KB ram (which may not be enough for everybody, but it's close), 22 GPIO's, a single 32-bit RISC-V core running at 160Mhz.

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/12/20/esp32-c3-wifi-ble-ri...

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

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Post by imtringued »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #62
skissane wrote: post #3

On https://collapseos.org/why.html he says: > I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030 What's he going to say if we get to 2030 and his predicted collapse hasn't happened yet? "I was wrong" or "It's just taking a little longer than I expected"?

Probably the latter. Doesn't mean he will be wrong, though. I really don't get people's optimism here. This is not some doomsday prophecy divined from religious texts. It's a trend in the data - if nothing significantly changes, we're headed for a crash in the coming decades. It's like watching a program with a memory leak - you see it ticking up in its memory usage, knowing that when it approaches 100%, it will cras…

The thing about these types of events is that if everyone prepares against them they will never happen.

Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology

#110

Post by mastazi »

webmaven wrote: post #103
mastazi wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hell is other people, best bet since the time of the plague, you want to survive go where others aren't. I have played for a while on a Minecraft "anarchy server"[1]. You could consider it a very, very rough approximation of how anarchy would play out in real life. Your statement (if you are in a fixed location, people will find a way) closely mirrors my experience. Even though, in the Minecraft natural environment…

> If you are a new player, the most challenging part is escaping spawn (the area where new players start from, which is also the only crowded area in the game). This is pretty hard because spawn is a wasteland with no natural resources left (in Minecraft you have a hunger meter so if you can't find food you will eventually die), and in addition spawn is populated by armed players who kill new players as a pastime. Hm…

No because in Minecraft a killed player just disappears in front of your eyes. However you can steal whatever items the player had in their inventory the moment they died (those items are dropped to the ground upon death).
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