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Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Post by novok »

Hamuko wrote: post #68
jsheard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just watched a fansub recently where they replaced some environmental text in the background, and they used the ASS format to render the english text out of focus and seamlessly match the depth-of-field effect used in the show. Some groups really go above and beyond.

Definitely. For example, MTBB's subtitles for Kimi no Na wa are very impressive. There's a short showcase of them on YouTube (spoilers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_c-eKTisI0 It's a shame you basically cannot get anything close to the quality of fansubs from any commercial/legal options.

Probably because they are forced to use really shitty subbing formats for assisted text in some compliance format :|

Edit: Are those baked into the video or did they just use the ASS format?

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Post by siltpotato »

boring_twenties wrote: post #27
ubermonkey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just agog that people are still doing dumb pattern matching for profanity filters. I just assumed that YEARS AGO people realized how dumb it is, but apparently: No.

Not super relevant or anything but I just can't help but share my favorite profanity filter story, so here you go. I worked at a place that had a profanity filter in two parts. The first part was in C, several pages of if (!strcmp(x, a)) return 0; After all that, it then invokes popen() to ssh to another machine and run a shell script there, which contains several more pages of string comparisons, this time in shell.

Hold on, what? Okay, return false if they aren't equal, then open another process to repeat this method once again in the shell... I can't guess the reason. Would you know if there is any reason this might have been done?

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Post by Lammy »

coldtea wrote: post #71
mumblemumble wrote: post #50

This tracks. One of the things that always gets me about US media is that gratuitous rape - even fairly graphic rape scenes on TV - is just fine as long it doesn't involve visible nipples.

Any kind of violence is fine. Sex is a sin though.

Sex that a woman enjoys is a sin. That's why rape scenes are fine.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#104

Post by throwaway314158 »

hatsunearu wrote: post #69
jsheard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just watched a fansub recently where they replaced some environmental text in the background, and they used the ASS format to render the english text out of focus and seamlessly match the depth-of-field effect used in the show. Some groups really go above and beyond.

The few groups that used to do that have stopped making fansubs. Mostly because HorribleSubs took a lot of the market share by just ripping CruncyRoll subs and re-packaging with RAWs. But now that HS is gone, I'm not sure what's happening to the scene. There is a power vacuum and I'm not sure if anyone took up the space.

Aside from HorribleSubs, these days you can hardly throw a rock without hitting a major streaming service that offers anime. Setting aside whatever free episodes you can get from Crunchyroll et al., Netflix, Amazon, Hulu... the list goes on. And for the majority of people, the services are convenient enough to outweigh whatever video quality advantage that HS or subtitle quality advantage (some) fansub groups offered.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#105

Post by novok »

hatsunearu wrote: post #69
jsheard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just watched a fansub recently where they replaced some environmental text in the background, and they used the ASS format to render the english text out of focus and seamlessly match the depth-of-field effect used in the show. Some groups really go above and beyond.

The few groups that used to do that have stopped making fansubs. Mostly because HorribleSubs took a lot of the market share by just ripping CruncyRoll subs and re-packaging with RAWs. But now that HS is gone, I'm not sure what's happening to the scene. There is a power vacuum and I'm not sure if anyone took up the space.

Isn't that basically crunchyroll taking most of the market by doing sub translations in the first place? Kind of like the netflix / spotify effect on piracy.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#106

Post by jsheard »

hatsunearu wrote: post #69
jsheard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just watched a fansub recently where they replaced some environmental text in the background, and they used the ASS format to render the english text out of focus and seamlessly match the depth-of-field effect used in the show. Some groups really go above and beyond.

The few groups that used to do that have stopped making fansubs. Mostly because HorribleSubs took a lot of the market share by just ripping CruncyRoll subs and re-packaging with RAWs. But now that HS is gone, I'm not sure what's happening to the scene. There is a power vacuum and I'm not sure if anyone took up the space.

The show I watched was a recent release, but it went through Netflix jail so I guess that's why it got the high-quality fansub treatment. There weren't any official subtitles for groups like HorribleSubs to yoink day of release which bought time for a high-effort group to do their thing.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#107

Post by Lammy »

novok wrote: post #101
Hamuko wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. For example, MTBB's subtitles for Kimi no Na wa are very impressive. There's a short showcase of them on YouTube (spoilers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_c-eKTisI0 It's a shame you basically cannot get anything close to the quality of fansubs from any commercial/legal options.

Probably because they are forced to use really shitty subbing formats for assisted text in some compliance format :| Edit: Are those baked into the video or did they just use the ASS format?

Even the old-school analog EIA-608 captioning system can do positional captions. It's all these modern web players (like Youtube's) that have regressed to a single line of text bottom-center.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#108

Post by mr_custard »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #93
mumblemumble wrote: post #50

This tracks. One of the things that always gets me about US media is that gratuitous rape - even fairly graphic rape scenes on TV - is just fine as long it doesn't involve visible nipples.

Is that so? I find that U.S.A. media tends to avoid rape but features all other kinds of violence. Anything related to sex, nudity and swearwords is held to the utmost standards of censorship.

That's been my impression for as long as I can remember. Very puritanical compared to, say, Europe... and yet violence is no problem. I honestly don't think that I'll ever understand what the hangup with nipples is all about.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Post by throwaway314158 »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #43
Hamuko wrote: post #24

ASS subtitles are particularly popular in anime fansubbing as it allows for advanced typesetting. You can take it pretty far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9AgMlHJe7Y

So the translated “fidget” parts are not hardsubbed but actually encoded in a subtitle format and therein animated to move around with the Japanese text? Quite impressive, notwithstanding the use of bourgeois harem as example material.

Yup. Recently there have been tools that will track selected things for you, but it wasn't too long ago when fansubbers had to manually animate them by annotating keyframes.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

#110

Post by LatteLazy »

While I think it's BS that Google just delete things like this (YouTube is the other classic example). I also wonder what anyone expects when the DCMA exists and people demand Google start censoring apps?

At the very least, incorrect (frivolous) DCMAs need to lead to huge payouts for the victims.

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