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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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I'm not a huge fan of Parler, but hopefully this move pushes the government to force Apple to allow alternate App stores and/or side loading. People should be able to run Parler on their phone if they want to, with full API access, not the half-measures that having a web app allow.

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

> It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone.

It will feel exhilarating. It will enhance their victimhood, increase emotional attachment to their cause and serves to prove, to them, that "the man" is trying to unjustly suppress them and that they must group together, somehow, and rise up.

And will make them, even more, vulnerable to manipulation by those who want a mob. And there are many.

I support the suspension, since it incites violence. And I'm worried where society now heads.

When a large number convince themselves they are unjustly oppressed they will justify all kinds of horrors in the name of defence from the whatever bete noire is chosen for them.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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If parler defined their API in an open format, that anyone could implement, could a generic client app be allowed on the app store?

Not in my experience, no. I have a training YouTube video in my app and Apple rejected it because YouTube inserted their video recommendations after my training video was done, and one of those recommendations was a disturbing news footage.

You would have to reengineer your system along the lines of IRC where the app is divorced from the content.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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It's very surreal watching this happen. CloudFlare will be next, and they've already set the precedent that they will cease to serve websites that are "detrimental to society". Followed by Digital Ocean, Amazon, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T. For those of you who championed XKCD #1357 at every opportunity, congratulations! You've won. For a short time. The consequences of censorship will be dire. I'm no fan of Sagan, but he…

Wow that Sagan quote is prescient. Where is that from?

And yes it is deeply concerning that an infrastructure service like Cloudflare is becoming increasingly political. This is what happens when companies stop acting neutrally and allow themselves to be influenced by activist employees or outside social/political pressure. The precedent they set will probably extend to all the other infrastructure players.

And this is why it is more crucial now than ever for us to enforce antitrust laws and split up and/or regulate powerful companies. They are acting government agencies simply shielded from the same responsibilities because they are technically private.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #86

We should understand that all of this so called "censoring" is happening in/on private property, and not actually censoring. The owners of property have every right to set the conditions of use, if any, for any. If Trump, et al, want to pretend that these private properties are actually essential, and the owners of them don't have the right to set whatever conditions, perhaps they should nationalize them, and auction…

I'm sure John Stuart Mill will be scraped from the internet soon but it's still worthy of protection:

> Society can and does execute its own mandates: and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practises a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Hey free speech absolutists: Given the venue, I’m guessing some of you work with distributed systems, right? What’s happening now is called a “circuit breaker”. When you have an emergency in progress and your system is melting down, you pull the plug and let the fire go out while you figure out what the heck is happening.

We had nearly absolute free speech on the internet and we got a delusional psycho mob organizing to invade the Capitol to avenge nonexistent election-stealing. So we know that doesn’t work. Let’s put the Capitol and the government back together and figure out what does.

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