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Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by snicksnak »

The whole world watches during this annexation of Hongkong. Worse, the UN just made CCP a member of their Human Rights Council until 2023. Meanwhile they keep expanding their concentration camps for Uyghurs and even bragging how they decreased Uyghur birthrates by applying "family planning policies".

And again, the whole world watches, this all brings me to the realization that the slogan "Never Again", is just that, a slogan, politicians and people in general throw around to signal. It really disgusts me.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by Grimm1 »

echelon wrote: post #83
Grimm1 wrote: post #55

The US should be forming a closer relationship with India, to work with them strategically to increase their domestic investment and try to reach some type of parity, economically, with China as a ballast. We, the US, simply don't have the literal bodies regardless of our economy.

> We, the US, simply don't have the literal bodies regardless of our economy. Open immigration, create tax incentives for raising children, and start minting new US states. We could close the gap with China and India if we prioritized it. I think it's of strategic importance that we do.

I think your idea is another perfectly valid alternative. I just haven't seen the appetite for it. I know the recent immigration changes were rolled back, but if the crazy requirements instituted a few months ago says anything it's that like 40% of our country are super against the immigration route.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by lazylizard »

knolax wrote: post #57
arcticbull wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how international obligations work. Most borders were defined at gunpoint but we generally don’t allow for arbitrary redefinition when the loser gets uppity, Crimea aside.

That's not how international relations work. Appealing to some arbitrary set of conventions (that you prove in your own comment don't get followed) and then complaining that the other side is "uppity" does nothing.

china probably wouldnt mind burning Versailles n Buckingham to the ground, recovering taiwan. then taking over hawaii and returning it 100 years later.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by butMaga88 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #56

How do people seriously not see the parallels here? The way that the CCP, and most Chinese people, view the protestors in Hong Kong, is exactly the same way that the US Government, as well as most of the US, view the protestors in DC on Weds. HKers say they want democracy and fair elections. CCP and most Chinese think that's bullshit. MAGAs say they want democracy and fair elections. Most of the US Gov as well as mos…

Haha flagged in a thread complaining about suppression of speech

What a hypocritical joke this forum is

“But you disagreed with my contrived narrative, despite it containing rants about censorship! ban”

Words mean nothing. Literal reality defines truth.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by greatgirl »

patagonia wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I don't see this going down the path of "we wind up just like them". I see this going down the path of WW III. What we need is another cold war. Any hot war will be unimaginably costly and drawn out.

Do we need that? These cold wars run at the expense of 3rd world countries who experience them as a hot war. Good for you that no one in your country dies, but people in mine will.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by verroq »

eloisius wrote: post #30
orange_tee wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is strong and the UK is weak. The treaty is not valid anymore. Only an idiot would say otherwise.

The terms of the treaty state anything about the relative strength of each nation?

The relative strengths of the nations help to dictate the terms. Treaty of Nanking was signed after the defeat of the Qing army, you think the terms were favourable to the Qing Emperor?

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by psim1 »

Hong Kong is not China. It only takes a few weeks in each place to see. Was it wrong of the British to take HK as a colony at one time? Yes in the same way it was wrong of them to take eastern North America. Hong Kong—culturally, philosophically, politically, spiritually, virtually in every way—is not China and should not simply be “given” over to them by the rest of the world.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by loceng »

z5h wrote: post #98
minikites wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is political. If you don't think so, it means you're protected by at least some kind of privilege. Rather than denying that, think about what advantages you have in your life that insulate you from the struggles of other people.

Everything is A LITTLE BIT political. And we reserve the right on when to focus on the political or non political aspect. My pancake breakfast has ties to unions, lobbyists, international trade. Guess what, I’m just going to eat my pancakes.

"Everything is A LITTLE BIT political."

This is called minimizing/minimization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimisation_(psychology) https://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/02/23/minimiza...

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by joreilly »

If anyone is looking for a relatively digestible book on China, I can wholeheartedly recommend On China by Henry Kissinger [1]. While he does tend to meander at some points, it gives a solid introduction to China's recent history (arrival of the British, the civil war, up to around 2010) and interactions with the United States throughout. At least, to someone who initially had very little knowledge on the topic.

[1]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9328314-on-china

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by joe433343 »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #70
Leary wrote: post #27

These Hong Kong supporters are a true inspiration for Americans. Their occupation of the legislature shows what a free people could do against oppression

I remember seeing them waving American flags during protests, presumably as a reference to liberty. I thought, “I wish we lived up to their perceptions of us.”

As a not a native American. The one thing that i admire most about America is its importance to liberty as part of the constitution and as a main stream culture.
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