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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by aleksandrm »

cperciva wrote: post #41
djsumdog wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Capitol Police were either incompetent or complicit. There are literally no other options. They knew there would be a big protests, numbers put it around 200k~300k (a tiny percentage of which actually went into the capitol building mind you). If they weren't prepared for this: incompetence. But there are videos of people getting selfies with guards, and staying within the velvet ropes when coming in. Something is…

They were understaffed, and it was clear that they could not protect both the building and the people. They correctly prioritized evacuating the people.

Incorrect. Capitol police is a 2300 officer department with a huge annual budget. The puppets in place were complicit in letting this happen.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#102

Post by setpatchaddress »

pySSK wrote: post #72
35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

I agree with the more open approach, but shouldn't her office have a simple keycard or combo lock on the door? Even Starbucks toilets have better security. From the pictures I saw, she was still logged in and had the evacuation message onscreen. I'm guessing she didn't have 'require login after screensaver' option enabled. If the account is still logged in, this is a massive breach!

it was somebody else's account. Also, see @foone's thread here:

https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1346924327996772354

tl;dr: the government has appropriate computer security in place to prevent this sort of thing, and it's not clear what the deal was with that particular computer.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#103

Post by ashtonkem »

mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

All that money, all those guns, all that harassing of random citizens, and this happened. One has to ask “what are we actually paying for?”

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#104

Post by Pils »

yuliyp wrote: post #8
ascales wrote: post #4

Clearly a big deal and congressional IT staff are going to have a crazy few weeks ahead of them. However, my understanding is that any classified information would have to be in a SCIF. I assume that would be the case with congresspeople as well. I've also heard that the congressional paging system locks devices when an emergency is announced, but haven't seen that corroborated anywhere. Anyone know if that's true?

There are lots of different levels of classification. Not all interaction with all classified information needs to happen in a SCIF.

Plus, classification is reserved for government documents, right? If someone's goal was to specifically expose "DNC secrets," a la Watergate, the most damaging information would likely not be "classified" in the formal sense of the word.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#105

Post by kweinber »

ghaff wrote: post #86
rhino369 wrote: post #47

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Firing on a mob is risky as hell and not morally clear. I can't blame Capitol Police--at least for the actions after it already got out of hand. If federal security at Court House shoots BLM protestors who are entering a federal court house, those security people would probably get charged with murder. It's unreasonable to expect Capitol Police to make that sort of moral choice in the moment. And if you give cops the…

>That said, they may (probably?) screwed up containing the crowd contained in the first place. Certainly with the benefit of hindsight, there should have been a much stronger show of force/barricades/etc. Should that have been obvious even without hindsight? Don't know. That said, once the Capitol Police were outnumbered and things were getting out of hand, I'm pretty sure the best outcome if they had used deadly for…

Hindsight? You have the same kind of folks who showed up at Charlottesville and other altercations and you can’t predict they will cause trouble?

The very idea that no-one could see this coming is ridiculous.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#106

Post by ashtonkem »

35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #46
mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

Most days that’s fair. This week however, they should’ve had the unfriendly man with the M2. This was a predictable problem to literally everyone but the people in charge of protecting the capital.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by ISL »

bovermyer wrote: post #97
java-man wrote: post #92

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And multi-factor authentication!

And remote self-destruct!

Better than that might be an internet-free LoJack. Finding a laptop thief might be at least as valuable as retaining the encrypted information that's on disk.

Edit: Also, stealing a laptop that belongs to the office of the US Speaker of the House will essentially never end well. There are endless examples to suggest that yesterday's fracas wasn't thought-through by the participants. This is one of them.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#108

Post by waterside81 »

akersten wrote: post #52
mimikatz wrote: post #44

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It has not been proven. This is false. Please stop spreading it. Multiple people were killed in clashes with the police. They did not help the rioters. This is the type of misinformation that caused all these problems.

Police taking selfie with terrorist: https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 Police letting terrorists in: https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1346931235176783873

Here's another video of cops letting people in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/134759627858319769...

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

#109

Post by _trampeltier »

jacquesm wrote: post #68
mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

The US Embassy in Amsterdam is better protected than the Capitol.

I'm pretty sure, almost every US Embassy, not just in Amsterdam, is better protected.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by thelean12 »

rhino369 wrote: post #47
Fauntleroy wrote: post #23

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To prevent unauthorized entry, Capitol Police would have had to put up a fight. Seems they were unwilling to do so. If America continues down this path Russia (and others) are just gonna have a field day.

Firing on a mob is risky as hell and not morally clear. I can't blame Capitol Police--at least for the actions after it already got out of hand. If federal security at Court House shoots BLM protestors who are entering a federal court house, those security people would probably get charged with murder. It's unreasonable to expect Capitol Police to make that sort of moral choice in the moment. And if you give cops the…

> Firing on a mob is risky as hell and not morally clear.

Why do people jump to the most extreme side of things in discussions now a days?

There are many many many ways to disperse of a crowd that doesn't involve firing live rounds at a crowd. In fact: they were able to do it later!

Tear gas, flash bangs, barricades, rubber bullets. None of these were used until well after they made it inside.

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