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Smart spaces will fine petrol car owners illegally parking in electric bays

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Re: Smart spaces will fine petrol car owners illegally parking in electric bays

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Post by edgarvaldes »

paledot wrote: post #4
sandworm101 wrote: post #3

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So it will fine an electric car that parks in the bay if it isn't charging? These are not really parking spots anymore. They are "charging bays". That's cool. Just remember not to park your electric car there with a full battery. I guess if your battery is full, by the time you drive around a while looking for another spot it will be low enough that you will be allowed to use the bay. The few times I've tried to char…

They're not parking spots. Don't park next to a gas pump if you're not putting gas in the car, even if it has an internal combustion engine.

Is this an American thing? To park in a gas pump for minutes after you used it?

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

sandworm101 wrote: post #62
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #53

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> If we wanted to actually enforce speed limits it would be a trivial matter to have google forward the relevant information. So then you get a speeding fine for being a passenger? Wouldn't people just turn off their phones? > Of course, if we really care, it would be trivial to limit all cars to a particular mas speed while on public roads. This is useless because most "speeding" would be within the limit for the co…

>> if your vehicle detects the limit wrong Welcome to one of the most basic and most difficult problems for AI-driven vehicles: What is the speed limit? Temporary limits, work zones, school/park zones based on sunlight, weather, children/workers present or not, emergency vehicles beside road or not ... it is complex but also something every driver manages every time they get behind the wheel. While it is possible to…

> it is complex but also something every driver manages every time they get behind the wheel.

It's also something that humans are still better at judging than machines, because they have general intelligence. They can tell that a speed limit sign for a service road visible from the highway is not the speed limit for the highway. They can guess what a sign covered in rust or sludge might have said based on the road conditions or the speed of other traffic or personal knowledge of the area.

And when the machine gets it wrong more often, you don't want it to be overriding the human driver by force.

Re: Smart spaces will fine petrol car owners illegally parking in electric bays

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Post by ogre_codes »

gambiting wrote: post #93
ogre_codes wrote: post #83

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> That's kind of my point - this won't happen, because Uber is already at rock bottom prices. Not really. There are a lot of places to optimize the cost of an Uber competitor. If you have electric self driving cars that pick people up, maintenance and fuel are much less expensive and you aren't paying for a driver. Most of these would only need a 50-100 mile range and could fuel up between passengers. Full self drivi…

>>Full self driving cars is a few years out More like 50+ years for something that is actually allowed on most roads commercially, but sure. I just don't think the margins are there. Uber already subsidizes the human cost.

It's not 50+ years out on defined routes as I suggested above. More like 5-10. Waymo is already doing this in one location legally.

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Post by nikau »

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #81
hannob wrote: post #26

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It's surprising because car drivers are used to the fact that rules are not or rarely enforced. Just think about it: Technically it would be no big problem to enforce speed limits widely. The technology for speeding cameras isn't exceptionally complex, you could mass-produce them and deploy them basically in every street. I'm not aware of any country doing that.

An interesting method that is widely used in Australia is “average speed cameras”. They set up 2 sets of cameras on a long highway and then time how long it took you to get from one camera to the next. It’s an excellent idea because you can’t just slow down for the camera and then speed up again.

A friend told me of a similar system which I think was in Malaysia, but some vendors setup food stalls at the side of the road before the exit cameras where people would stop and get a meal to extend their drive time.

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Post by nikau »

davchana wrote: post #90
hannob wrote: post #26

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It's surprising because car drivers are used to the fact that rules are not or rarely enforced. Just think about it: Technically it would be no big problem to enforce speed limits widely. The technology for speeding cameras isn't exceptionally complex, you could mass-produce them and deploy them basically in every street. I'm not aware of any country doing that.

Absolutely correct about the technology. Qatar is doing that. I lived in Qatar for 7 years, drove a car. All speed cameras are not visible. Some are marked with sign boards, but many are hidden permanently on a lamp post, or in a palm tree, or in anything. There are even mobile cameras, which an operator puts on a heavy tripod, & goes away, & camera takes photos of offenders & send back to data centre. Cameras are on…

> Owner of car gets a mobile notification as soon as his car speeds in front of camera.

So they have another camera about 20 seconds up the road to catch them reading SMS while driving?

Re: Smart spaces will fine petrol car owners illegally parking in electric bays

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Post by nikau »

labawi wrote: post #7
sandworm101 wrote: post #3

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So it will fine an electric car that parks in the bay if it isn't charging? These are not really parking spots anymore. They are "charging bays". That's cool. Just remember not to park your electric car there with a full battery. I guess if your battery is full, by the time you drive around a while looking for another spot it will be low enough that you will be allowed to use the bay. The few times I've tried to char…

> It probably wouldn't need much of a resistor to simulate minimal charging rates. Resistor wouldn't be a huge problem. A heat sink might be - the chargers typically support 5-50kW¹ charging rates. I'm not sure they would consider 100W or so "charging", so you might end up with something bulky. ¹ a guesstimate

Easy, just need to find a resistor bank like they use on metro trains for braking and bolt it on the roof.

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Post by maccard »

chrisseaton wrote: post #42
sofixa wrote: post #40

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Really? I've had no problems with regular Visa and MasterCard debit cards, while at the same time the in the Netherlands non-Maestros are barely accepted outside of ATMs, even in huge stores ( that's gotten better in the last 2-3 years).

Last time I was at a German train station I didn't recognise any of the accepted payment cards as a visitor from elsewhere in Europe. And I note you mention you were specifically ok using debit cards - credit cards are even more problematic than debit cards in Germany. They really don't like accepting them. And try to use an American Express for anything and you will just get a puzzled look!

> try to use an American Express for anything and you will just get a puzzled look!

Anyone with an Amex knows you need a visa or mastercard to back it up even in the UK or the US

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Post by davchana »

nikau wrote: post #106
davchana wrote: post #90

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Absolutely correct about the technology. Qatar is doing that. I lived in Qatar for 7 years, drove a car. All speed cameras are not visible. Some are marked with sign boards, but many are hidden permanently on a lamp post, or in a palm tree, or in anything. There are even mobile cameras, which an operator puts on a heavy tripod, & goes away, & camera takes photos of offenders & send back to data centre. Cameras are on…

> Owner of car gets a mobile notification as soon as his car speeds in front of camera. So they have another camera about 20 seconds up the road to catch them reading SMS while driving?

Lol no, most of the times, either Employer/Companies, Rental/Lease Companies, or Fathers are the owners. The users/drivers are employees, or family members.

Re: Smart spaces will fine petrol car owners illegally parking in electric bays

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Post by erik_seaberg »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79
gambiting wrote: post #15

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I'm still eagerly awaiting explanation on how this is going to work with terraced houses where there's about 40 houses on each side and people park how and where they want, and most importantly where the local council barely has enough money to fix the worst potholes. But suddenly they are going to dig up a 300 year old street to put down enough cabling and charging points for every car. My question is "with what mon…

"My question is "with what money"." This is a good question, we know that total cost of ownership of the charging network for cars is massively lower than that of petroleum infrastructure. So the problem is not shortage of money, but alighning incentives and investment. I believe this needs to be done through a large-scale national program, where central govermnet provides granta for modernising cities for efficiench…

Is it actually? A gas station can serve thousands of cars every week without wiring thousands of street parking spaces.
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