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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jessaustin wrote: post #79
cblconfederate wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- He does the US's bidding in the region , countering russia in Syria, Libya, and Nagorno-karabakh without the US having to take blame for it - He does Germany's bidding by countering French interventionism in Libya / eastmed without Germany having to take blame for it

...Nagorno-karabakh... That's another recent event that went totally uncovered by USA news media firms. They thought some confused Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians.

> Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians

Baku is far from a strategic rival to the United States. It’s not an ally either, more non-aligned. Transcaucasian geopolitics—-in reality, most geopolitics—-are not a daily priority for most Americans in a badly-managed pandemic.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by onei »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

Perhaps Istanbul shows it more than other places. The city was originally Greek, then Roman, Byzantine and more recently Turkish for the last 600 years. But the city itself is a myriad of cultures likely due to its economic importance. Wikipedia covers the history pretty well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by alisonatwork »

Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

I find this to be one of the most insidious side-effects of press censorship under authoritarian regimes - it seems to create an ecosystem of resistance media that is just as biased as the government propaganda.

A similar thing happens with China through stuff like Epoch Times or Guo Wengui's channel. The outlets that position themselves as strong opposition to the regime are themselves untrustworthy sources, which ironically just serves to bolster the position of the regime. ("See? You can't trust anything! Even in so-called free countries all the news is fake!" etc)

Do you have any recommendations for media organizations that are doing reliable reporting on Turkey but aren't propaganda fronts for one faction or the other?

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by sudosysgen »

bzb6 wrote: post #61
kingofpandora wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different countries ... with a common heritage.

Greeks are Christians, Turks are Muslims. For starters.

That is both a difference and a similarity. Both are way closer to each other than any two random religions on average.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by planetis »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

You are the same people ousting Greek refugees during the Greco-Turkish War of 1919–1922 (considering them Turkish because they also spoke Turkish) (known locally as the Asia Minor disaster) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor_disaster For anyone interested I recommend this excellent movie https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378897/

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by mipsi »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

Similiar food, music, habits, look-alikes.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by planetis »

kingofpandora wrote: post #46
bzb6 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so but they are entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.

Different countries ... with a common heritage.

Maybe during history lessons you preferred a good beauty sleep instead of paying attention to the class :)

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by pjc50 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #100
pjc50 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This feels unfair to Germans and Europeans in general because of some conflict thousands of miles afar If you were to talk to the refugees themselves, you'd probably find that they thought losing everything they couldn't carry and being stuck in a country where they can't speak the language, have no status, no recognition of qualifications, no right to work, and yet no safe way to return either isn't particularly f…

I can see how they would feel that way and I think part of the problem would be exactly that - they will not be able to assimilate ever. > taking over Culture. Dilution of values. Fundamentalism which is so entrenched the religion (I suspect, high 90s % of strongly religious demographics, primarily Islam). Long term, I see even worse divergence of national unity - these people are now speaking the language, but their…

Different values that diverge from German national unity? Impossibility of integration? Maybe you'd like them marked out somehow? Discouraged from owning property or business? Put on a train to ... somewhere? From which they don't come back?

Bluntly, Europe's laws on refugees date from the time when millions had to flee Germany, and the "military aid" was incinerating Dresden. The options are integration or extermination, and sending people back to Syria where they will quite likely be killed counts in the extermination column. Germany has decided to try the not getting millions killed option for a bit.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by planetis »

disown wrote: post #66
killertcell wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That doesn't imply common heritage. spot the american.

Guilty as charged. So you think australia and indonesia have a common heritage because they are neighbors, but the US and australia don't because we live an ocean away? It's so funny, I was genuinely interested in this topic as my understanding of greece and turkey was one of conqueror and conquered, not "common heritage". I thought maybe there was history/ties/etc I was missing, but apparently it's just some politic…

That solves it then, you are Greek-American never went to a Greek school. Well Greek history books are available freely online/
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