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Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by ac29 »

nafizh wrote: post #16
morsch wrote: post #7

In a nice bit of symmetry, another RTG is lost in an ocean trench: The fuel cask from the SNAP-27 unit carried by the Apollo 13 mission currently lies in 20,000 feet (6,100 m) of water at the bottom of the Tonga Trench in the Pacific Ocean. This mission failed to land on the moon, and the lunar module carrying its generator burnt up during re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere, with the trajectory arranged so that the…

So after 870 years, it begins to pollute the water?

Ocean water already contains 4 billion tons of uranium: http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/gorin2/

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by bzb6 »

getlawgdon wrote: post #95
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #11

For people who don't want to slog through the long-form article for the few tidbits of actual information: "Nuclear device" does not refer to a nuclear weapon in this case, it was a radio signal capturing device powered by a RTG. They had to abandon the first one when trying to install it due to bad weather and couldn't find it again. Maybe it was stolen, maybe it just melted its way under many meters of ice and snow…

Comments like yours about "slogging through long form writing" are becoming more common. I find it concerning. Your summary bis quite inadequate to me and misses many points while assuming the one you're clarifying is the point. It isn't. Longer writing has great value; let's give it more room.

If you find great value in longer writing that’s fine. Some of us don’t want to spend minutes reading an article about something we don’t care much about and we would rather read a short summary with a few key points and be done with it.

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by klodolph »

garmaine wrote: post #88
klodolph wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the comment is referring to the heavy metal toxicity, which is presumed but poorly studied in humans.

Yeah but we’re talking about a small amount of material. There’s probably more lead in the electronics you use. Dumped in the ocean, it’s nothing.

> There’s probably more lead in the electronics you use.

Probably not, ever since RoHS in 2002 lead has all but disappeared from electronics. Even though it’s an EU law, most suppliers have just decided to only provide RoHS-compliant parts, and PCB manufacturers only have options for RoHS-compliant solder.

The amount of lead in an electronic is probably measured in grams, and only if the device was manufactured prior to 2005 or so.

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by pstuart »

traceddd wrote: post #59
pstuart wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow indeed. And oh, the irony -- LSD is the ultimate anti-mind-control drug.

I’m sure you’re aware of the concept of “set and setting.” The environment can greatly influence the character and content of a psychedelic experience. Mind control can be as simple as attaching trauma to a particular ideology, or invoking a spiritual experience with some specific subject matter. I think it could probably be done although it would be wildly unwieldy and unethical.

Yes, I'm very aware. The CIA was engaging in torture in the name of research.

My quip was based on the fact that under proper set and setting LSD has the ability to "open the mind" beyond the "normal world" and its associated conventions.

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by pstuart »

walleeee wrote: post #57
pstuart wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow indeed. And oh, the irony -- LSD is the ultimate anti-mind-control drug.

Not necessarily. LSD reduces the influence of implicit priors. What gets reintegrated depends on context ("set and setting").

Brainwashing doesn't need drugs for that, and has been far more successful.

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Post by walleeee »

pstuart wrote: post #106
walleeee wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. LSD reduces the influence of implicit priors. What gets reintegrated depends on context ("set and setting").

Brainwashing doesn't need drugs for that, and has been far more successful.

Definitely. Just pointing out that LSD is not guaranteed to be a psychologically liberating experience.

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by pstuart »

walleeee wrote: post #108
pstuart wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brainwashing doesn't need drugs for that, and has been far more successful.

Definitely. Just pointing out that LSD is not guaranteed to be a psychologically liberating experience.

Yep. No guarantees. I had a friend that that fried his brain on it.

It's a powerful tool that has been unfairly demonized.

Re: Lost nuclear device atop of Nanda Devi

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Post by walleeee »

pstuart wrote: post #109
walleeee wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. Just pointing out that LSD is not guaranteed to be a psychologically liberating experience.

Yep. No guarantees. I had a friend that that fried his brain on it. It's a powerful tool that has been unfairly demonized.

Agreed!
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