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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by tehjoker »

gonehome wrote: post #58

So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted. These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP). https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

If you think companies operating under the influence of the USG are better you've got another thing coming.

EDIT: I like that whenever I post something negative about the USG in an anti-China thread, I go to -4 then bounce up later. It could be people are really that nationalistic. Who knows.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by tyingq »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #71

"unlawful conspiracy to transfer a means of identification." I don't think I've ever heard that phrase before. It's a federal crime? What does it mean?

It's from this US Federal law around identity theft:

18 U.S. Code § 1028 - Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028 See subsections 7 and 8.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by chance_state »

tehjoker wrote: post #101
gonehome wrote: post #58

So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted. These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP). https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

If you think companies operating under the influence of the USG are better you've got another thing coming. EDIT: I like that whenever I post something negative about the USG in an anti-China thread, I go to -4 then bounce up later. It could be people are really that nationalistic. Who knows.

> America Bad

And in less than an hour. Record time!

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by hyperrail »

Here's Zoom's own public statement on the matter: https://blog.zoom.us/our-perspective-on-the-doj-complaint/

The statement also says that Zoom itself is under separate US federal investigations for its dealings with Chinese and other foreign governments, as well as its security and privacy practices more generally.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by izgzhen »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

Zoom takes care of customers with very heterogenous device/network conditions, which makes it reliable solution:

(1) Zoom works even in pretty bad network environment, and provides phone call fallback out of box; (2) Zoom provides a variety of clients optimized for many platform and devices.

If there are 10 people in a meeting, even 1 people facing technical issues can affect other 9 people, which is very different from typical software that can just ignore 10% customers without losing 90% customers.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by verst »

jariel wrote: post #56
spoonjim wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver, at the latencies that people expect and the price they're typically willing to pay. It's not a CRUD app. Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. Apple being the most rock solid of all of them, but limited to Apple devices.

If there were great alternatives by the big players, then Zoom would not 'be a thing' and would not have taken off during the pandemic. Why would teachers etc. be turning to Zoom if Hangouts etc. was at their fingertips and worked well. We moved to Zoom before the pandemic because Skype (Microsoft) was unreliable to the point of useless whereas Zoom was solid. People use Zoom because it's better, and there's really n…

Most school districts either use GSuite or Office 365 from what I can tell. As part of those you'd have Google Meet or Microsoft Teams.

Why do you use (presumably the consumer version of) Skype when the Microsoft product that superseded Skype for Business is Teams?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by octoberfranklin »

random5634 wrote: post #64

Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off. Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom. Uberconference - audio l…

> We need background replacement or blur.

Why?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

pstrateman wrote: post #41
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm willing to bet that the events described here will not be a mortal blow to Zoom, whether the event is isolated or only semi-isolated. To make it concrete, their market cap will still be above $10B on Jan 1 2022. I'll put up to $20 on it, to a non-religious charity of your choice. If you want to take the other side of that bet let me know.

You're completely avoiding the question of whether this is an isolated incident or not. I have no doubt people are stupid enough to continue using 'Video Conferencing by the CCP'(tm pending). That just means they're dumb.

The question I'm most interested in is the one where the individual at the top of the thread suggested this would be a mortal blow to Zoom. It won't. Nit picking about exactly how isolated this is does not change how few of Zoom's customers are or will ever be affected.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by octoberfranklin »

camdenlock wrote: post #102

Are these sorts of investigations and revelations going to disappear now that the Democratic Party has been elected to power?

It's not a left vs right thing. If Mitch McConnell were Attorney General he would drop the case too.

Basically most of our politicians (on both sides) have sold out to China and a very few haven't.

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