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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by nasalgoat »

_jal wrote: post #85
nasalgoat wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CentOS is Community Enterprise OS. Enterprise is right in the name. I just imagine going to the big boss and saying, "We're moving to Rocky Linux" is going to be a tougher sell based on the somewhat juvenile nature of someone's first name with a Y on the end of it.

If your "big boss" chooses infrastructure by the name, it is time for a new company.

Lots of decisions are made for arbitrary and, frankly, obtuse reasons. Often on a whim. I would just like to give the new distro the best chance to succeed.

Clearly I seem to be in the minority, however. I guess time will tell.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by asutekku »

lisper wrote: post #81
nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

If Duck Duck Go hasn't been destroyed by its silly name I can't imagine "Rocky Linux" being an issue.

I'm quite sure some users have not adopted DDG because of the name. "I'm just going to duckduck the [search term]" does not roll that well from the tongue when compared to "I'm just going to google the [search term]". Google for most does not mean the word googlplex, but duck for sure refers to the bird.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by sjellis »

citiguy wrote: post #19
mmrezaie wrote: post #3

I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist. The two later have not changed their policies in the last decade, and they have a clear path for upgrading. CentOS was always a clear choice for device drivers support, but I never understood the stability claims.

Lately it seems to me Debian and Ubuntu have made some strange package decisions. They have morphed into a desktop oriented build with snap packages and auto-updates enabled by default (among other strange decisions). There's a ton of stuff we always end up disabling in the new release because it's super buggy and doesn't work well (I work at a small MSP). I'm not sure who replaced Ian Jackson, but Debian seems rudde…

Snap is an Ubuntu thing. It's basically a client for the Canonical app store.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by eecc »

nasalgoat wrote: post #54
shawnz wrote: post #46

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I actually think CentOS sounds pretty unprofessional (although familiar), while Rocky Linux sounds unfamiliar although at least has a meaningful inspiration. I would bet it could come to be equally as esteemed as a product called "CentOS" (or even "Red Hat") eventually.

CentOS is Community Enterprise OS. Enterprise is right in the name. I just imagine going to the big boss and saying, "We're moving to Rocky Linux" is going to be a tougher sell based on the somewhat juvenile nature of someone's first name with a Y on the end of it.

no, the tough sell is telling your boss that you'll have to switch to paying Microsoft-range licenses for your server farm to an IBM subsidiary, whose name and logo are - literally - references to some random guy's clothing.

We're arguing about a frigging name. Rocky Linux; you know what Madrake sounds to an Italian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KguscIm8N0Y

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by Karunamon »

moonbug wrote: post #95
unethical_ban wrote: post #33

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Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020. I would say a better reason is that while both are Linux distributions, they are distinct dialects and ecosystems. It isn't impossible to switch, but for institutions that have complex infrastructure built around the RHEL world, it is a lot of work to convert.

>Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020. That's mental.

My read on that is that you should be treating your servers as disposable and ephemeral as possible. Long uptimes mean configuration drift, general snowflakery, difficulties patching, patches getting delayed/not done, and so forth.

Ideally you'd never upgrade your software in the usual way. You'd simply deploy the new version with automated tooling and tear down the older.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by theevilsharpie »

mmrezaie wrote: post #3

I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist. The two later have not changed their policies in the last decade, and they have a clear path for upgrading. CentOS was always a clear choice for device drivers support, but I never understood the stability claims.

> I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist.

There is a large world of proprietary enterprise software that is tested, developed, and supported solely on RHEL. CentOS (and theoretically, Rocky Linux) can run these applications because they are essentially a reskin of RHEL. Debian and Ubuntu LTS cannot (or at least not in a supported state) because they are not RHEL.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by syshum »

joana035 wrote: post #17
tmoravec wrote: post #16

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Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

Right, but the price one pays are outdated packages. CentOS 8 was released few days ago with kernel 4.18, which not even LTS is, and is older than the current Debian stable kernel(!). If you need to install anything besides the base distro you need elrepo, epel, etc which I'm not sure can be counted as part of the support.

if you need epel, or quicker life cycles then CentOS Stream should be just fine for you as well

People that run CentOS in prod are normally running ERP systems, Databases, LoB Apps, etc, and the only thing we need is the base distro and the the vendor binaries for what ever is service/app that needs to be installed, and probably an old ass version is JDK...

We need every bit of that 10 year life cycle, and we glad that we will probably only have to rebuild these systems 2 or 3 times in our career before we pass the torch to the next unlucky SOB that has to support an application that was written before we were born...

that is CentOS Administration ;)

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by bigbubba »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

The only reason you think 'Rocky Linux' sounds unprofessional is because you are unaccustomed to hearing it in a professional context. Before I read where the name came from, I assumed it was named after the mountain range. Would that really be so strange, considering CPUs get named after lakes or MacOS releases named after cats or regions of California?

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by dralley »

joana035 wrote: post #17
tmoravec wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

Right, but the price one pays are outdated packages. CentOS 8 was released few days ago with kernel 4.18, which not even LTS is, and is older than the current Debian stable kernel(!). If you need to install anything besides the base distro you need elrepo, epel, etc which I'm not sure can be counted as part of the support.

RHEL kernel versions are basically incomparable with vanilla kernel versions. They have hardware support and occasionally entire new features that have been backported from newer kernels in addition to the standard security & stability patches.

This means that RHEL 7 using a "kernel version" from 2014 will still work fine with modern hardware for which drivers didn't even exist in 2014.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by mulmen »

1-6 wrote: post #60
lock-free wrote: post #58

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If I've learned anything from cloud services, it's that product names mean nothing.

Like Snowflake?

I always associated that with a snowflake schema. Seems like a good, simple, descriptive name.
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