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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by My8thAccount »

justafriend wrote: post #91
WhyDoesDangSuck wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahaha definitely a red-flag if you ever work for a place that plays the LLC game. Wish my younger self knew that

Out of curiosity, did anything particularly bad happen due to working for a place playing this game? Asking for a friend..

Yea I got hired as a CTO for a startup in my late 20s and thought I had found my dream job. They offered to double my pay as a JR engineer which was a good amount of money for my age and was given 4% ownership that vested over 4 years. Well about 9 months in, the CEO decides the current business plan isn't viable and wanted to setup a competitor to his previous employer. He knew that this could very easily result in litigation from his former company as he was also the CEO there and started playing the LLC umbrella game and suddenly I'm getting paid by some company in Wyoming with a totally different name.

To comfort me, the CEO told me that they would go ahead and vest my 4% shares immediately for the new entity. The checks were still cashing and I didn't think much of it at the time. The company started making decent money about 1M annual revenue, but when profit sharing season came, I was not given anything but a 2k bonus. Then one day when nobody was in the office, I happened to see some documents on a desk that dissolved the company I supposedly owned 4% of and described a 3 tier ownership scheme (dreamt up by a creative lawyer on retainer)

There are many people that will prey on young talent, get them to build their startup infrastructure by promising them 250k+ salaries plus profit sharing. After you build the thing and server your use, be warry of the people suddenly wanting to "help" or "co-administer" the system. It's code for they are trying to learn how to run things without you because you are too expensive now that the system is online. Additionally, in more conventional contracts vesting options can cost you a lot financially if you don't calculate the taxes right.

In the end the CEO and VP got sued by both their former employer and the state of california. The CEO's wife then divorced him and took half of his money after he lost nearly 500k. Karma was a little mean in my opinion on that one haha

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by diegocg »

tybit wrote: post #95
obilgic wrote: post #27

Impressive, however just like the stock market, if you try to dump all those, It won't worth anything close to $2B.

What makes you think the market for IPv4 doesn’t have the demand for another 2.5% given it’s a scarce resource?

There is surely demand for it, just not at the prices they bought it

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by maven29 »

toast0 wrote: post #66
im3w1l wrote: post #53

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Do users on cgnat typically have cgnat ipv6 or not?

Typically not (but I guess it's possible). CGNAT is expensive to run, but carriers do it because it can be less expensive than getting more IPv4 addresses, and it's faster to add capacity than to get addresses. IPv6 addresses are very low cost and quick to ger assigned, so if you're supporting IPv6, and you run low on addresses, adding CGNAT doesn't make sense. It's much more typical to either have cgnat IPv4 and pub…

In the wake of the wannacry debacle, quite a few ISPs have moved IPv6 as well behind CGNAT.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by sam1r »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #72
mepkn wrote: post #69

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I wish I had the same idea.

You could probably still do it and do fairly well. Go on BlackHatWorld as a starting point. I did this circa 2011-2013, but really all I did was arbitrage between webhostingtalk and BHW/Wickedfire. I ran a bunch of squidproxy instances and let the server providers convince me that I couldn’t have more than 256 IPs per server, so I way overpaid.

Spoken like a true tech bro.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by cosmodisk »

ignoramous wrote: post #94
aritmo wrote: post #70

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What are they doing?

Industry leaders like NordVPN and ExpressVPN may engage in P2P routing (to use residential IPs especially) to unblock services like Netflix and Disney+ [1]. HolaVPN unapologetically does this too [2]. All of this is discounting the new-age dVPNs like Orchid (not quite the Tor replacement that was promised? [3]) and Mysterium [4]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Back at home the company behind NordVPN is touted as a top company.Recenly was reading an article that they'll be moving to new premises, as they've already got 1500 working for them.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by jstanley »

obilgic wrote: post #98
jstanley wrote: post #80

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It works the same both ways. If you go into a market and try to buy lots of something, it drives the price up because you're increasing demand and removing supply. If you go into a market and try to sell lots of something, it drives the price down because you're increasing supply and removing demand. AWS don't obviously have an incentive to sell IP addresses for substantially below market value, so I don't see why bu…

> AWS don't obviously have an incentive to sell ... You just invalided yourself. What do you think my point is?

I think the point you were trying to make is that just because the IPv4 addresses are valued at $2B doesn't mean you'd be able to get $2B for them if you tried to sell them. This is correct, but it does not imply that they are worth less than $2B.

The point I was trying to make is that just because the IPv4 addresses are valued at $2B doesn't mean you'd be able to buy them for $2B.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by enz »

alex_young wrote: post #37

Your ISP doesn’t want real IPv6. It’s bad for business.

I don't see why. Major consumer-grade French ISPs give IPv6 by default on FTTH installations and the router is configured accordingly (Orange, Free, SFR, Bouygues Telecom).

Generally, you get a /64. Of course, when using IPv6 there is no NATting, each of your device has its own IPv6 address of the /64 range allocated to you.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by bzb6 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #2

I’m more surprised that a single IP address is worth $20 apparently than Amazon owning 100 million of them. What I wonder, is it a competitive advantage for Amazon at this point that they have so many? Phrased differently, would it benefit Amazon if the current status quo of IPv4 vs IPv6 adoption is maintained?

That’s what’s happening here in Spain. The biggest ISPs are doing nothing to migrate to IPv6 because they are sitting on a shitload of IPv4 addresses and that makes it very hard for new ISPs to compete.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by bzb6 »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #96

A small nitpick: They don't "own" these addresses, the regional internet registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC etc.) loan them to Amazon so they can use them, they could take them away again if AWS would do something that's against the RIRs' policies. We also have a single /22 block of addresses from RIPE (we were one of the last companies to get such a block in 2019), so far we haven't made use of it though as it's still a…

That’s a huge nitpick, given that RIRs generally don’t give a shit even if you don’t use the addresses at all. Also I can imagine Amazon would rightly sue if a RIR tried to take addresses from them.
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