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YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by curiousgeorgio »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Nope. It basically fuels the Streisand effect, both for what is really true, and for what some people believe to be the hidden truth. This kind of censorship has the opposite effect of what it claims to do.

The real truth stands up to all scrutiny, and that scrutiny is an essential part in arriving at the truth.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by BitwiseFool »

ryaan_anthony wrote: post #75

So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

Remember the controversy around "YouTube Heroes"? The arbiters of truth are going to be volunteers and activists. And, the process is going to be completely opaque with no appeals process. I guarantee it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by throwaway894345 »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

I'm pretty anti-censorship; specifically I believe that sunshine/debate is the best disinfectant. However, we aren't having a healthy debate right now because the election fraud conspiratorialists are shouting their message without regard for the rebuttals. I think there's something to be said for bringing the volume down to manageable levels so that we can actually have a debate. That said, I'm not remotely convinced that there's any kind of evidence that will convince these people that there wasn't election fraud--it feels like arguing with flat-earthers or blank-slaters or whomever--which isn't so much to vindicate 'censorship' (in general or in particular) as it is to express sadness at the state of our collective intellectual and political well-being.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by gameswithgo »

thursday0987 wrote: post #80
whateveracct wrote: post #70

HNers really are clowns - there's a chorus of people acting like this is oppression. When the most powerful people in the United States are constantly spreading lies to destabilize the fundamentals of the country for years to come. Downvote me all you want - it's just proof that SV is full of assclowns. Such a shame that I probably work with some of you idiots.

The state of Texas is suing other states in the supreme court and alledging fraud. Youtube's new policy basically is saying that the state of Texas is not allowed to discuss the supreme court case on their platform.

Supreme Court is going to be in agreement with that really.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by rriepe »

pjc50 wrote: post #73
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

People only believe there is "something" because they've been lied to.

Fascism and disallowing lying are the same thing.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by rat87 »

Pungsnigel wrote: post #67

Will this include all videos talking of the Russia collusion?

Because that actually happened

You were alive when Trump called for Russia to hack Hillary's emails? Or when his son and son and law admitted to negotiating with them? Or when Trump tried to drop Russian sanctions?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by compiler-guy »

natchy wrote: post #83
whateveracct wrote: post #70

HNers really are clowns - there's a chorus of people acting like this is oppression. When the most powerful people in the United States are constantly spreading lies to destabilize the fundamentals of the country for years to come. Downvote me all you want - it's just proof that SV is full of assclowns. Such a shame that I probably work with some of you idiots.

This is modern book burning. To combat establishment elites in either side we need more freedom, not less.

Book burning prevents people from reading the material.

There are a million places to host your own videos at your own expense if youtube decides it doesn't want to. Whatever that reason may be.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by howmayiannoyyou »

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped for.
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