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Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#101

Post by Liskni_si »

susam wrote: post #21

This is a great addition to Matrix. One of the things I really like about Matrix is how matrix.org has an IRC bridge that bridges all of Freenode. It is good to see Gitter getting bridged into Matrix too. For example, if you want to join Freenode #lisp channel via Matrix, you can do so by joining #freenode_#lisp:matrix.org. Here is a direct Element web client URL to it, in case you want to try it now: https://app.ele…

Does the IRC bridge work reliably for you? I tried experimenting with Matrix today, I could make it to join #freenode_#xmonad:matrix.org but any message I sent didn't go through to the IRC side. When I then joined #irc:matrix.org it seems several other people were reporting this not working lately.

To make this experience even less amusing, I then tried to join #xmonad:matrix.org, assuming it's the matrix equivalent of #xmonad on freenode, but it just said I'm not invited and that was it.

Can't say I'm impressed. :-(

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#102

Post by benatkin »

the_duke wrote: post #60
benatkin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people, including me, dislike threading in Slack. It breaks the algorithm for reading new messages. I use it when teammates do, and acknowledge it's useful sometimes, but I would prefer not to have that feature. Discord also does not have threads. I've heard some complaints about it, but not many. Threads in Zulip seem to change it into a different kind of app. I don't see how the Slack workspaces that I've…

> I don't see how the Slack workspaces that I've used heavily would work with it. Quite simply: you don't know what you are missing. I was sceptical at first as well, but having the ability to branch off into separate sub-topics while still maintaining easy visibility is extremely nice for organizing conversations and catching up on things you missed in busy channels. The nice thing is: you can just use flat channels…

Well I'll probably never know unless I join a team of 10+ that happens to use Zulip. I played with it on my own for about an hour.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#103

Post by smarx007 »

Great news! How do I make it work? I just tried in our room https://gitter.im/OSLC/chat# and I still see the matrixbot. The post talks about how to connect another chat system to Matrix but there are no instructions for Gitter itself.

Edit: Okay, this is what should have been in the post: go to Explore rooms, and instead of choosing Gitter, select Add new server and type 'gitter.im'. Now you can find a room through a native integration.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#104

Post by 3r8riacz »

sktrdie wrote: post #5

Can anyone explain what Matrix is and why is this interesting? Feels like we’re reinventing Jabber?

A simple thing won me over XMPP to Matrix: .well-known domain delegation to use @asd:example.com as username instead of @asd:some.subdomain.example.com while being able to use the subdomain cert for the server instead of the parent domain cert. XMPP only supported SRV delegation which required the parent cert on the virtual (sub)domain.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#105

Post by im3w1l »

mbirth wrote: post #73
zanny wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jabber needed reinventing. XMPP grew and thrived in the early 2000s and died as every participant fragmented off to spin up a proprietary walled garden replacement. You then need something better than XMPP to fight back against that partitioning of the messaging space because XMPP implementations became too fragmented in feature compatibility to reliably compete.

XMPP is anything but dead yet. There were a lot of XEPs added and updated in recent years and it turned into a modern protocol being able to provide all features you could expect from a modern messaging service. It's just that you need a client and server that supports those features. Daniel Gultsch has written an Android client[1], that's as good as it can be. He also offers a maintained XMPP server [2] providing th…

xmpp works, but barely. Some people will insist on you talking to them using otr, and other will insist on omemo. Multi-device kinda sorta works sometimes. If you have program 1, the other person has program 2 on phone and program 3 on computer, and the issue is also potentially with the configuration of server program 4 or 5, then it starts to get complicated when issues inevitably crop up. Some of which lead to messages just silently going missing, and you mistakenly think that your friend is ghosting you unless you have an out-of-band way to communicate.

Conversations doesn't display when your friends are online or not, which is fine if they are almost always online but if they are offline a lot, then depending on the server configuration and the phase of the moon, messages sent while offline go missing (silently of course).

EDIT: I think the only setup I could whole-heartedly recommend non-technical friends is Conversations talking to Conversations with Prosody default-settings server(s).

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#106

Post by FloatArtifact »

This is very exciting. On the element client edits from gitter via the gitter bridge currently do not display very well. The bridge creates a new pseudo post when edits are made. Will these edits automatically be cleaned up in the history of a room in the future?

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#107

Post by unicornporn »

rkangel wrote: post #69
the_duke wrote: post #3

That was impressively quick. Looking forward to Github/Gitlab repository rooms and activity integration. In the acquisition announcement they also mentioned threading though, which is the most important feature Element is missing for me. Without it I'm very hesitant to use it in a professional setting. I do hope that threads will look much more like Zulip rather than Slack (which is a mess), or offer different view m…

I actually think that the MS Teams implementation of threads is the best. The problem with the Slack implementation is that it's not the default. You have to understand it to use it, and you have to have an organisational culture that pushes people to use it. Otherwise you end up only occasional threads, and mostly you're back in in the classic Slack '200 messages since you last visited, only 10 of them are of intere…

Threads in Teams? I use it daily and have not noticed that feature. How? In the desktop client I can't even properly quote.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#108

Post by rkangel »

unicornporn wrote: post #107
rkangel wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think that the MS Teams implementation of threads is the best. The problem with the Slack implementation is that it's not the default. You have to understand it to use it, and you have to have an organisational culture that pushes people to use it. Otherwise you end up only occasional threads, and mostly you're back in in the classic Slack '200 messages since you last visited, only 10 of them are of intere…

Threads in Teams? I use it daily and have not noticed that feature. How? In the desktop client I can't even properly quote.

In a normal Team channel (i.e. not a chat message) when you press 'New conversation' you type a message and then people reply to that. That is a thread. The fact that you didn't even think of it as one I take an indication how seamless it is.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#109

Post by susam »

Liskni_si wrote: post #101
susam wrote: post #21

This is a great addition to Matrix. One of the things I really like about Matrix is how matrix.org has an IRC bridge that bridges all of Freenode. It is good to see Gitter getting bridged into Matrix too. For example, if you want to join Freenode #lisp channel via Matrix, you can do so by joining #freenode_#lisp:matrix.org. Here is a direct Element web client URL to it, in case you want to try it now: https://app.ele…

Does the IRC bridge work reliably for you? I tried experimenting with Matrix today, I could make it to join #freenode_#xmonad:matrix.org but any message I sent didn't go through to the IRC side. When I then joined #irc:matrix.org it seems several other people were reporting this not working lately. To make this experience even less amusing, I then tried to join #xmonad:matrix.org, assuming it's the matrix equivalent…

The IRC bridge has worked reliably for me so far. My messages from Matrix get delivered to Freenode IRC channel without any problems, so far.

The settings of #xmonad:matrix.org show that they allow only invited users to access their room. Here is a screenshot of their room settings: https://i.imgur.com/vxap6wY.png . This is a little weird indeed. However, there are other plenty of other rooms that do not require invitation to join.

Re: Gitter now speaks Matrix

#110

Post by benhurmarcel »

benatkin wrote: post #102
the_duke wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see how the Slack workspaces that I've used heavily would work with it. Quite simply: you don't know what you are missing. I was sceptical at first as well, but having the ability to branch off into separate sub-topics while still maintaining easy visibility is extremely nice for organizing conversations and catching up on things you missed in busy channels. The nice thing is: you can just use flat channels…

Well I'll probably never know unless I join a team of 10+ that happens to use Zulip. I played with it on my own for about an hour.

My company uses Google Chat, which isn't great but has threads. It would be unusable without that feature, some rooms have thousands of members.
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