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Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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He had developed a severe drug addiction to ketamine and nitrous oxide. He completely lost touch with reality. Ended up killing himself in an explosion/fire that he caused himself. The reason he "retired" from Zappos was due to the aforementioned drug addiction and was not voluntary.

How would you know that he caused the fire himself?

I've been told by people with direct knowledge of the situation

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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those are pretty wild claims. any way you can back it up?

Why do you ask this question? You know he doesn't. But that doesn't mean it is false. If his username is anything to go by, I'd say that there is probably a kernel of truth to his statement. After all, people don't just make up stories about ketamine and nitrous addictions. Especially since dying in a house fire isn't a usual route to go. It might make sense he was on ketamine and somehow a fire started (he probably…

Lolwut. Please. This kind of boundless credulity, which is unfortunately quite widespread, has sent innocent people to their executions.

You are ascribing a "kernel of truth" to a completely unsubstantiated claim because the comment includes specific details and because of the username of the poster, which they themselves chose and did not have to justify.

There is absolutely no evidence that the claim by "exzappos" is true or false. Please don't imply anything else.

> the real reason I believe these claims is because my gut says it is true. Not the best reason, of course. But not a bad reason either.

Yes, a bad reason. A very bad reason.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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> It's no more a cult than cheering for your school mascot To just react to this part: from the perspective of someone growing up in a country without school mascots or inter-school sports competitions, the whole US treatment of school sport teams and their mascots (or, at least, their depiction in media) is rather cultish behaviour.

> the whole US treatment of school sport teams and their mascots (or, at least, their depiction in media) is rather cultish behaviour It’s tribal. Or team like. We don’t have a good word for it in English. Being strongly affiliated with a group isn’t a bad thing. It drives innovation in companies and research groups and campaigns. It’s easy to mock. Often, there is some totem Kool-Aid everyone rallies around. This cu…

> This cult-ish mode isn’t antithetical to individualism. We freely choose to associate this way. Unlike cult members, there is an out.

There is an incredible amount of social pressure to conform, whether it be to cheering for school mascots, or daily pledging your unconditional allegiance to a nation, years before you are old enough to understand what half of those concepts mean.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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In 2008 I was consuming as much entrepenuriship content I could (while building my first company). For obvious reasons I ended up watching a Tony's presentation. He was sharing a lot of stories about Zappos and in the end he talked about their Culture Book (a book entirely written by Zappos employees, with no editing).

Immediately after watch it I sent an email directly for him (at the time a CEO of a company that would be sold to Amazon for 1.2B 8 months after) asking if I could have a digital version of the book since I was living in Brazil. For my complete surprise I received a response in less than 1 hour just asking for my address. One day after I received a physical copy of the book, signed by the very own Tony Hsieh. He even invited me to visit Zappos offices if I ever were in Las Vegas!

Today I woke up with this sad news. Definitely, a huge loss to the world. I'm sure you'll always be an inspiration to many.

Rest in peace Tony Hsieh, A big fan

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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> It's no more a cult than cheering for your school mascot To just react to this part: from the perspective of someone growing up in a country without school mascots or inter-school sports competitions, the whole US treatment of school sport teams and their mascots (or, at least, their depiction in media) is rather cultish behaviour.

I was about to comment something very similar. I grew up in the UK and that sort of thing was often viewed as just a step away from the nationalism of the nazis.

Aren't there literally violent gangs associated with soccer teams?

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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He had developed a severe drug addiction to ketamine and nitrous oxide. He completely lost touch with reality. Ended up killing himself in an explosion/fire that he caused himself. The reason he "retired" from Zappos was due to the aforementioned drug addiction and was not voluntary.

This is gross. I don’t care if this is true or not — someone is dead and people that knew that person (including many on HN) are grieving. Surely, the judgment-filled “how’s” from someone who created an account just to rip on a dead person can wait. If you’re too much of a coward to put this under your usual username or even own it under your full name, that’s a sign to me that this sort of comment doesn’t belong her…

My intent is not to rip on him. I have a lot of respect for what he accomplished in life. Keeping Tony's problems secret and enabling them is a big part of why things ended this way though. There shouldn't be a stigma about admitting that Tony was suffering from drug addiction and mental illness. People have been using him all year instead of getting treatment for him. You should be directing your ire at those people.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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This is gross. I don’t care if this is true or not — someone is dead and people that knew that person (including many on HN) are grieving. Surely, the judgment-filled “how’s” from someone who created an account just to rip on a dead person can wait. If you’re too much of a coward to put this under your usual username or even own it under your full name, that’s a sign to me that this sort of comment doesn’t belong her…

Why is it necessary to respect someone who is dead? They are dead, after all. Seems like we should probably respect people a little more when they are alive and a little less when they are dead.

In the immediate period following someone’s death, is it too much to ask not to engage in or support rumor-mongering around the cause, for the sake of the family who is likely under tremendous stress and should not have to deal with the added stress of seeing such rumors?

It hurts no one to wait some months to reveal details of a person’s death; at that time, outsiders can contemplate that info. Have some empathy.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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This is gross. I don’t care if this is true or not — someone is dead and people that knew that person (including many on HN) are grieving. Surely, the judgment-filled “how’s” from someone who created an account just to rip on a dead person can wait. If you’re too much of a coward to put this under your usual username or even own it under your full name, that’s a sign to me that this sort of comment doesn’t belong her…

My intent is not to rip on him. I have a lot of respect for what he accomplished in life. Keeping Tony's problems secret and enabling them is a big part of why things ended this way though. There shouldn't be a stigma about admitting that Tony was suffering from drug addiction and mental illness. People have been using him all year instead of getting treatment for him. You should be directing your ire at those people…

If this is true, you should delete your comments and wait until an appropriate time (post grieving) to post them, backed with evidence and discussions with people who knew him in the context of such issues, under your real name. Stop pretending that being an anonymous troll spilling rumors immediately after his death is doing some kind of good.

Re: Tony Hsieh has died

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I was about to comment something very similar. I grew up in the UK and that sort of thing was often viewed as just a step away from the nationalism of the nazis.

Aren't there literally violent gangs associated with soccer teams?

Yes, but the hooliganism of the 70s and 80s has largely gone away. It was conducted by gangs of thugs who were mostly associated with a small number of first division teams, and generally roundly denounced. I don’t think it’s fair to imply it was representative of the countries cultural approach to group affiliations.
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