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Post by manifestdissent »

naruvimama wrote: post #100
manifestdissent wrote: post #47

The nationalism in these comments isn’t surprising. But it is disappointing. Several comments are implying that HuffPo is an influence operation or conspiracy... ??? There’s a clear boogeyman (the Chinese) and a grand arching conspiracy stopping the country from being great. This is fascism 101

"Fascism" is a strong word, I hope people can be a bit careful with using it. It is not like these comments are supporting the beheading or stoning to death of journalists or trying to protect grooming gangs or institutions involved in child sex scandals.

From Umberto Echo's famous hierarchy, we have a group that has an obsession with a plot for e.g. here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25207458 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25208543 You've implied multiple times that there's something spooky going on without evidence

The broader plot involves the identification of an outsider, in India's case it is muslims. The Other is identified as the source of the problem and is highlighted as being a part of the plot against the majority. The classical example is the "they're raping our women and planting demon babies" plot https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/11/19/indias-ruling-part...

The outsiders are Muslims' who are simultaneously the root of the problem and weak degenerates. https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2020/02/04/...

It is assumed that mixing with the untermenschen will dilute the superior ethnic group. There's a desire to "purify" the country. The majority forms paramilitary groups to enact the process. All disagreement towards this is taken as treason. Dissent is forbidden. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/who-is-an-urban-naxal... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Activities_(Preventio...

A xenophobic movement with a paramilitary organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh that is obsessed with a plot to undermine the majority that has heavily implied racial/ethnic subtext. The movement implies that they will take the country back to an unspecified time when it was greater. They identify the minority as the obstacle. They clamp down on all dissent and attempt to induct children and the young into their cults through a focus on service and death in the service of the nation.

If the shoe fits

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by lotsofpulp »

poma88 wrote: post #88
justforfunhere wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go one step further and say that most Indians in the tech space come from Upper Caste, well to do Middle Class families with enough money to give them a comfortable chance at getting into a decent college in India/Abroad. This gives them a sense of entitlement that is very hard to shake off. This also makes them partially blind to the kind of hardship most poor Indians have to face and live with for the entir…

Exactly this: where is that exaggerated sense of entitlement coming from? Who else finds it insane? It is not only caste. It is a sense of superiority.

It comes from not wanting to share their wealth with those who have less, and helps maintain or increase their standard of living.

I know business owners that will vote for lower taxes as a single issue. They could not care less that their own nieces and nephews were being screwed by the labor laws their “low tax” politicians were supporting.

What is most important is enhancing the relative position of themselves and their children in society.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by kranner »

manifestdissent wrote: post #50
square_usual wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From personal experience, most Indians in the tech space are conservative-leaning. I don't network a lot, but I do talk to people enough to know that "liberal" in the western sense is a very rare viewpoint in this industry. E: I should mention that I am Indian.

The country has become nationalistic to a nonsensical degree. I’ve met multiple people who have refused to use PayTM because they think it is Chinese. This won’t end well.

Another instance is a spate of recent 1-star reviews on Amazons with comments like "Great product, works as described and value for money, but I'm giving it 1 star because it's made in China". Seems to me Amazon is letting this slide because that's where the wind is blowing now.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by kondu »

naruvimama wrote: post #97
square_usual wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From personal experience, most Indians in the tech space are conservative-leaning. I don't network a lot, but I do talk to people enough to know that "liberal" in the western sense is a very rare viewpoint in this industry. E: I should mention that I am Indian.

You are the one labelling them, different countries have different histories. People usually labelled "Hindu right wing" by the english media have nothing in common with the western idea of conservative. They are strongly pluralistic, believe in smaller communities and tribes preserving their identity, nature loving, sympathetic to vegetarianism, not homophobic, not against abortion, strong believers in climate chang…

"pluralistic", yet the current govt seems to want to impose Hindi in the non hindi-speaking-majority states.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by manifestdissent »

naruvimama wrote: post #97
square_usual wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From personal experience, most Indians in the tech space are conservative-leaning. I don't network a lot, but I do talk to people enough to know that "liberal" in the western sense is a very rare viewpoint in this industry. E: I should mention that I am Indian.

You are the one labelling them, different countries have different histories. People usually labelled "Hindu right wing" by the english media have nothing in common with the western idea of conservative. They are strongly pluralistic, believe in smaller communities and tribes preserving their identity, nature loving, sympathetic to vegetarianism, not homophobic, not against abortion, strong believers in climate chang…

Hitler was a vegetarian and the Nazis established nature preserves. You had to ask for permission to experiment on a worm not the untermenschen. They funded programs to populate the forests of Europe with Big Game like Bison

All political movements take the shape of the territory they occupy. When fascism arises it uses symbols of its host society. Indians won't use a phyrgian cap they'll use saffron

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by fakeyguy »

Dahoon wrote: post #60
fakeyguy wrote: post #26

I can't say I am sad to see this. we have been seeing a lot of propaganda-type articles in some foreign owned media outlets. And given the China threat that is looming, it was expected.

There no more a "China threat" than there's a "US threat". Stop spreading FUD on HN. Also "China" is like "America". Geography, not countries.

There is. When you live here it's easy to see it. Tensions have been escalating for last 6 months. Hence many changes in Foreign investments - esp. from China.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by FlyingSnake »

puranjay wrote: post #99
FlyingSnake wrote: post #67

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I find it highly amusing that the same HN hivemind that rallied behind Peter Thiel's takedown of Gawker are calling a legal move by a sovereign democratic country fascism. Perhaps we need to drop this western gaze when analyzing events in the East? > They(Gawker) have no moral high ground, noble principles, or higher purpose. They're scum, and it's pure karma that they're being destroyed by someone they outed.[1^] [^…

As an Indian, I'm just disappointed that we seem to have wholeheartedly chosen a side - USA - in the upcoming Cold War 2.0 instead of staying a bit more neutral. I don't think we chose well.

It's a choice between rock and a hard place for India for Cold war 2.0. I have no love for the current govt. (or the past ones, if that matters) but Indian situations simply can't be seen by US-colored-goggles. There are multiple factors at play and there is not much common apart from democracy.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by Dharmakirti »

manifestdissent wrote: post #101
naruvimama wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fascism" is a strong word, I hope people can be a bit careful with using it. It is not like these comments are supporting the beheading or stoning to death of journalists or trying to protect grooming gangs or institutions involved in child sex scandals.

From Umberto Echo's famous hierarchy, we have a group that has an obsession with a plot for e.g. here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25207458 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25208543 You've implied multiple times that there's something spooky going on without evidence The broader plot involves the identification of an outsider, in India's case it is muslims. The Other is identified as the source o…

> You've implied multiple times that there's something spooky going on without evidence

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. HuffPo is no saints and in the world of global info warfare, I wouldn't be so quick to give them a clean chit. See how Al Jazeera etc operate with a state backed agenda for an example.

> A xenophobic movement with a...

This is such an incoherent rant riddled with falsehoods without any evidence. RSS is no xenophobic movement even if the biased wikipedia page paints it that way. If you have grassroots Indian experience, you'll know that they want to revive Hindu right, while preserving Dharmic values. I don't agree with all their attempts, but it's laughable how brown sepoys quickly jump to it's criticism without substantial data.

You seem to have a fixed agenda and reiterating the same unsubstantiated claims against imaginary bogeymen. The economist links you've mentioned can be easily summarized as an opinion piece and I can provide several more similar links from SwarajyaMag that say otherwise.

Re: HuffPost India is history, thanks to new FDI norms

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Post by Dharmakirti »

addicted wrote: post #81
manifestdissent wrote: post #47

The nationalism in these comments isn’t surprising. But it is disappointing. Several comments are implying that HuffPo is an influence operation or conspiracy... ??? There’s a clear boogeyman (the Chinese) and a grand arching conspiracy stopping the country from being great. This is fascism 101

Even if that’s true then close Huffpost by finding evidence for those claims. Not by adding a retroactive FDI cap and destroying foreign future investment. Of course, the fact that the government didn’t do the correct thing indicates that Huffpost is hardly an influence operation, but that this government wouldn’t survive too long with independent media dominating the airwaves and Whatsapp as opposed to their lackeys…

> close Huffpost by finding evidence for those claims.

HuffPo closed operations on it's own, the India Govt didn't force them to do so.

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