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No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

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Re: No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

#101

Most issues don’t have two sides, but a multiplicity of viewpoints and stakeholders with vastly different levels of knowledge and insight. There are more than two sides.

This is why I don't watch videos on my laser printer.

Re: No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

#102

It seems clear to me that the problem lies, at least in large part, with our business model. If you write a thought-provoking article that people read, reflect on, think back on numerous times during the next few weeks, etc. it does not get you as much money as if you write five clickbait articles a day. If we were paying people based on the articles they write, that we read, which a week later we were still glad we…

Business model may favor such a behavior but in my opinion its ethics should be considered as well. For example, many cars generate some air pollution. But there are some, typically more expensive ones, which produce less or no air pollution. It may be economically beneficial to simply buy the cheapest one. But some people choose the less polluting cars anyway, perhaps also because they incorporate ethics into their…

Sure, I try to buy organic foods, I try to recycle, etc. But, if the incentives are aligned in the wrong way, then the overall trend of society will head the wrong way.

Which is, sure, not a reason to not try your best within the existing system. But exhortations will only get you so far. We tell people not to steal, but we also have police, burglar alarms, doors that lock, etc. because we know appeals to people's better nature is not enough.

Re: No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

#103

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This level of uniformity cannot come about naturally. Thomas Schelling says otherwise. See http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... and consider the idea of voluntarty ideological segregation in a virtual space.

I haven't seen that before thanks. I believe what it's showing is why echo chambers form or for that matter why people of similar nationality tend to live in the same neighbourhoods. Not necessarily that all the major news agencies all push the same story and never question or challenge anything. Or for that matter only challenge the reverse.

It's just the same process playing out on the semantic level between corporate actors.

Re: No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

#104

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I believe the word you're looking for is bibliography. If so, then I would love for all people that hold the title journalist or reporter to start including one. Use it for every statement. Will it slow down time to print? Sure. But factual accuracy and provability are worth enough that I would pay such a news source.

Journalists have sources. They name sources. They avoid linking to sources because sources are their competition for attention and ad/subscription revenue. It's the same reason shops don't link to their competitors' or wholesalers' websites

>It's the same reason shops don't link to their competitors' or wholesalers' websites

Hardly. That's competition.

On the other hand your journalists are falling hard on using unnamed sources and tweets. What about back story, recent history, historically relevant information? Most articles are virtually all filler, no references, a quote, no context, no history.

Re: No surprises here – On the absence of information in today’s media

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This seems to just display top articles on a 1-dimensional spectrum. I don't see how that's helpful or even justifies the service's name. Wouldn't fact harvesting be more helpful and inclusive? Ditch the framing as much as possible and assert what happened.

I don't believe you clicked on any of the articles. They "harvest facts," but also provide references to the source material. See for example: https://www.allsides.com/story/pennsylvania-and-nevada-certi...

Thanks for the correction. I did just read the about page and a bit of the glossary.
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