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Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

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Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#101

Compare wealth and life expectancy of any ethnicity living in USA with the population living in their previous habitat, and the US population comes out on top. Japanese Americans for example have higher life expectancy than Japanese in Japan, and I expect the same would be true for Ethiopians. This shows the superiority of the American system. I need to second the previous comment that this article is either based on…

>Compare wealth and life expectancy of any ethnicity living in USA with the population living in their previous habitat, and the US population comes out on top.

>Japanese Americans for example have higher life expectancy than Japanese in Japan, and I expect the same would be true for Ethiopians.

Similarly, Americans do well on PISA compared to their ethnic relatives. (https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-sco...) Asian Americans do better than Asians; whites do better than Europeans; Latinos do better than Latin Americans; and blacks do better than Africans.

Hispanics and especially blacks' scores drag the US average down. Both white and Asian Americans score higher than Canada (and white+Asian is essentially Canada's racial makeup), and higher than New Zealand, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Norway, and the UK; Estonia is below US Asians but above white Americans. Norway is by far the wealthiest Nordic state but its average is only two points higher than the US national average, despite not having a demographic that is 13% of the population and scores 85 points below the white American average.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#102
This is an interesting study, but there are so many influences that the article can't cover (probably due to its length) that it is a struggle to even draw questions from it.

Everyone dies of something. The fact that US people die from things at a different ratio from other countries is interesting, relevant and uninformative on the topic of life expectancy. Picking out obesity - the fact that US obesity rate deaths are higher than the comparison countries doesn't tell us anything about life expectancy. Are they old fat people, or young fat people?

The article also can't rule out Simpson's paradox style effects. Hypothetically, say the US is just much better at bringing sickly babies into the world and nursing them on into their 70s it would have better care and worse life expectancy. I doubt that theory could even begin to explain what is going on here, but when comparing average statistics of huge and diverse populations effects like that can creep in very subtly. Statistics can be completely misleading if the treatment is short and only deals with part of the picture.

I'm feeling good about reading an article with lots of data, but this didn't do a good job of addressing the title matter.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#103
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We spend double, as a percentage of GDP, what any other rich country spends on health care, so that's not it.

The amount the US spends on healthcare is more than offset by the high proportion of people who have no cover. The % of US population covered by health insurance is around 84%, compared with most other rich countries, which are all at 100%. Additional, much of what you count as US health care spending is really health care administration - i.e. billing and finding reasons to deny care to the sick.

>The % of US population covered by health insurance is around 84%

That was pre-Obamacare. 91-92% of Americans have medical insurance, whether through their employers, or government programs like Medicare/Medicaid.

>compared with most other rich countries, which are all at 100%.

Nope. That's compared to 95-97% in other developed countries because there are always some people who fall through cracks, like (say) a Canadian who doesn't get a new provincial health care card after moving, or a German who neglects to buy into a new sickness fund after changing careers. The only such systems with actual 100% (or as close to it as possible) coverage is something like the UK NHS, which does not have a requirement to show a membership card (because, well, there isn't one) to receive treatment.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the US has better outcomes for employed, insured and non-overweight folks; dramatically lower wait times, better cancer survival rates and less competition for care. Expense is also a nonissue on employer insurance. Unfortunately the US aggregate outcomes are dragged heavily down by an unhealthy population and high barriers to care for the uninsured.

> Expense is also a nonissue on employer insurance. My impression was that many if not most Americans would have to pay an excess (not sure of the American term; money paid by an insured party on using insurance) for any medical care with their work insurance. Is this not the case?

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Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#105

If you dig into the statistics, the reason is not what most people assume. The US has anomalously high death rates due to unintentional injury (accidents) in the young adult age groups, which skews the average for the overall population. If young people died in accidents at similar rates to the rest of the world, the average life expectancy would look quite good. This is the 3rd most common cause of death in the US,…

Even if this is a fundamental part of the explanation, there are features of US culture and geography at work. Most of the rest of the wealthy countries have smaller geographies and denser population centers, and a corresponding lower rate of car travel. With our huge suburban sprawl, many youngs find their entry into adulthood coupling excessive commute responsibility for entry level jobs with the new freedom and responsibility of a vehicle. (I grew up in the DC suburbs, this was my life.)

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#107

Just like @TuringNYC,I spent the early part of my life in the lower half of socio-economic ladder. With a bit of luck (and yes, work), I extracted myself from this group. I'm not rich, but I have zero debt. I own a house, multiple vehicles, and an 4 season expedition camper - free and clear. I have a rewarding and unusual career. By contrast, the entirety of my close and extended family lives in poverty. Bankruptcy,…

Or maybe not having a kid is why you’re still alive.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

#108
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For healthcare, you can probably segment America a little more generously into insured vs uninsured. If you are insured in America, your healthcare is reasonably good. Lower quality plans may have more restrictive networks or higher deductibles and maximums, but these are manageable and neither are truly barriers to care.

You could segment them in three sets: well insured, people with catastrophic health plans, and uninsured. Many employers are switching to high deductible health plans and that deductible may be thousands of dollars, i.e. catastrophic plans. When going to a doctor for a simple diagnosis or bloodwork can easily cost $400 to $1000, many put off doctor visits unless it's an emergency. It can easily become a choice betwee…

$400 for just a bloodtest at a GP? That's insane. All free in Australia, from the initial visit, to the blood taking, to the follow up.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

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Last time I looked closely at infant mortality in the US, it looked like the US was doing horribly. However, after talking with some doctors at a neonatal ICU I found out that in the US, we will often identify an unborn child that is in trouble and get it out of the mother in an attempt to save it. Since these types of cases are considered a birth, they count against the mortality rate whereas in some other countries…

As far as I recollect discussing this before one will actually save younger children in most of Nordic countries e.g. than in the US, and infant mortality rate is still much lower.

There are several reasons the US rate is so much higher than in other developed countries. The US does not have universal health care, which means large sections of the US population does not get adequate follow up during pregnancy.

If you look at health care for the poor in the US, it is generally geared towards emergency care. They will stitch you up if you are about to die. However it generally does not cover regular doctor visits and checkups. Hence in the US a lot of expensive effort goes into saving babies when born, when the problem could far more easily have been resolved early in the pregnancy with better checkups.

The US system is simply not very geared towards simple preventative care. Where other health care systems tend to focus on simple cheap system. American health care is overly focused on advance equipment, complicated procedures and basically anything which gives a lot of prestige or profits.

Problem is that such a health care system does not perform very well in the real world. You end up with very high costs and poor results.

E.g. a lot of health problems in the US is actually caused by over-treatment. That is the irony of the US system. Poor people who need help don't get it. People with expensive health care plans OTOH are subject to invasive procedures they don't need because it brings in profit. E.g. the US has overuse of surgery. So basically people who don't need surgery are cut open in the US. And that does take a toll on your health.

The opioid crisis killing Americans is a variation of this. Basically it is overmedication for the sake of profits. The health care system is actually a contributor to the bad health problems in the US.

It really should lead people to question for-profit health care, but it seems impossible to question anything about capitalism in the US. You speak to deaf ears.

Re: Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Due to work, I spent: - 3 months in Japan - 3 Months in Germany - 3 months in the US - 3 months in India The transition was alarming. I see bits of both Germany and India in the US. Unfortunately (having grown up in America) I see the trend as towards India. I don't mean this as a cultural slight, but as a cultural observation. I've seen high-trust vs low-trust societies brought up many times on HN. Traffic was most…

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