Now if we could have Node.js for ARM separately, that would be nice.
Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
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Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#102Mostly I would just want Electron to disappear overnight.
If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron. The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise.
No one who uses Slack chose to use Slack.
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I think the significant advent is the M1 chip itself. I was never interested in Win10 ARM edition until the prospect of running it on an M1 Mac. Unfortunately it looks like Apple have taken this opportunity to drop support for alternative OSes entirely.
Unfortunately it looks like Apple have taken this opportunity to drop support for alternative OSes entirely. Turns out this isn't true. They showed Debian running in a VM on a prototype Apple Silicon Mac hardware in June at WWDC. My guess is that Apple will provide access to enough hardware features of the M1 Macs via their hypervisor framework, to enable alternative operating systems to run ok. Docker for M1 Macs is…
Apple also has XQuartz, so running a desktop environment from a virtual machine might even be feasible.
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Slack is a messy one page app developed by PHP programmers and vscode is open source and actually made by competent people.
And I suppose Facebook is therefore also developed by incompetent PHP programmers despite being one of the largest technology companies in the world?
Yes. I am not even joking. Facebook was so terrible that they had to literally reinvent their wheels (hiphop). Its not hard to become a large company when you have black budget backing as confirmed by Snowden.
Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron. The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise.
> The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise. Would that be so terrible? I’m completely fine with having less software, if that means having better software. > If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron. I don’t have a choice. I’m forced to use Teams for work. I need to restart my MacBook after every video…
I need to use zoom now but would rather not install it. I put it on an old tablet and every one is happy.
Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#106I hope applications like Teams, Discord, and others that have iOS / iPadOS apps allow users to use those rather than electron versions.
Afaik, Discord on iOS is also written in react but with a native renderer (react-native) instead of the web/desktop that uses react-dom.
Not sure, but I thought i’ve seen a project where it was possible to render natively on deektop as well using react.
Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#107Mostly I would just want Electron to disappear overnight.
I'm both sad and confused about why there are so many negative comments about Electron, when I happily use Electron apps every day of my life and have no complaints at all about them. In fact, I'd like to start building Electron apps of my own, it actually looks like a ton of fun!
What is the experience I'm missing?
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Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. People can say all they want that it is good to lower the barrier entry, but that comes with a price. The price that others have to pay when we use their crapware. As long as it is not mandatory though, it is fine, but when it becomes mandatory, it becomes an issue.
Its your choice to use others "crapware". The price it comes with is all the abuse "noobs" have to take for offering their solutions for free. You don't like HTML frontends, thats sweet, then make your own alternative with Qt or winforms. There is NO "mandatory" electron apps... But there is some great software made with electron that has become very popular. I am confident if something has been made with electron, t…
I mentioned in my last sentence that as long as it is not mandatory, it is OK, but there are cases where it is mandatory, e.g. at the workplace.
I do not use Slack. I use self-hosted Mattermost as a replacement of Slack, I use IRC, and I use Element (formerly known as Riot.im).
Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#109Mostly I would just want Electron to disappear overnight.
If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron. The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise.
That would have been fine if one had a choice. If the rest of the team uses slack then well, you are also using slack.
And thus people start to actually believe that a chat-application must be this bloated. And because of that any competition that actually is developed is also using electron...
And those who actually do care either goes insane or finds another hobby, at least feels that way sometimes.
Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon
#110I hope applications like Teams, Discord, and others that have iOS / iPadOS apps allow users to use those rather than electron versions.
The iPad version of Teams is so much better than the Electron version. If you're a member of Teams across multiple organisations or, god forbid, multiple accounts, the Electron version is basically useless. You only get notifications from the org you're actively using, and you can't switch accounts without completely signing out of one and into the other.
The iPad version just lists all accounts and all orgs in the sidebar, no trouble.