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Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:20 PM UTC

epanchin wrote: post #71

vultour wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

A PlayStation 5 is £450 and will smoothly play any game I buy for it. PlayStation+ for 7 years is £350. Total cost excluding games is £800 for 7 years of smooth gameplay. An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly, never mind releases in 7 years.

The better idea is to get a laptop $400-800 more expensive than the one you were looking at. That way you get benefit of performance across your laptop experience. With the amount of time anyone spends on a computer, the investment is worth it.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by csharptwdec19 » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

rusk wrote: post #29

mnd999 wrote: post #23

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I know it was a pain to code for initially but once the tooling got better was it really that bad? The Cell still seems like an awesome piece of kit. Had the PS4 been a PS3 with a new GPU and a clocked up Cell with an extra PPE would that have been a bad thing?

I “loved” the idea of the cell when I heard about it, but the development community’s struggle with it should be a salutary lesson to us all!

It's a challenge game companies have had for a long time.

Sometimes, being bold means trying new architectures... But the important thing is making sure they are easy to adopt.

That's the irony of the 'lesson' of the PS3 being hard to develop for; Sega learned that one the hard way with the Saturn.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

pdpi wrote: post #82

egypturnash wrote: post #76

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Costs less, lets you kick back on a couch, setup and maintenance is a couple orders of less magnitude less complicated, much smaller attack surface for malware. Oh yeah, and the internet subscription also tends to come with a constant stream of free games. Every month there’s a couple new things to play that cost more than your month’s subscription.

> much smaller attack surface for malware. And much smaller blast radius too. I don't do home banking on my xbox.

Malware on a large scale on computers, be them PCs, Macs or Linux hasn't been a problem for years unless you as a user engage in downloading shady stuff from dodgy sources.

The reason consoles are safer is that you can't do any dodgy downloads on them beyond the manufacturer's walled garden, similar to how mobile devices work, not because they have magic security pixie dust making them invulnerable to malware, especially since they share the same X86 hardware as PCs.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by shocks » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:34 PM UTC

vultour wrote: post #65

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

Because I already spent all day on my desktop.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mhh__ » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

epanchin wrote: post #71

vultour wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

A PlayStation 5 is £450 and will smoothly play any game I buy for it. PlayStation+ for 7 years is £350. Total cost excluding games is £800 for 7 years of smooth gameplay. An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly, never mind releases in 7 years.

An £800 PC shouldn't struggle with anything below 1440p.

My PC cost that much 2 or 3 years ago and it barely turns the fans on playing most games even now

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mhh__ » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:36 PM UTC

effingwewt wrote: post #95

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #90

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>An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly Why do people assume you need a million $ PC to play current games smoothly? Is it the tech youtubers/influencers like Linus to blame for this madness where everything needs to be run at 4k 300Hz ULTRA settings to count as PC gaming? PC gaming hardware for a good experience is more affordable than people think. A 850-900 Euro PC (for us over the channel) with an R…

He also forgot you can simply keep upgrading you PC, and your PC can play all your old games without having to repurchase them. Also, if you added another $800 to your PC every 7 years it would still outperform a console. Also a gaming PC is still a usable computer, a console is not. Therefore a home PC can pay for itself by letting you code on it or whatever it is you may do. This is what worries me with younger gen…

That and you are going to end up buying a PC of some kind anyway because you can't work on a console

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mnd999 » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #102

rusk wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I “loved” the idea of the cell when I heard about it, but the development community’s struggle with it should be a salutary lesson to us all!

It's a challenge game companies have had for a long time. Sometimes, being bold means trying new architectures... But the important thing is making sure they are easy to adopt. That's the irony of the 'lesson' of the PS3 being hard to develop for; Sega learned that one the hard way with the Saturn.

I guess that’s my question, was the Cell fundamentally bad or was it just too new, different and hard to adopt?

If it’s the latter then building the PS4 on the cell as well should have been fine as by that point it’s a well-known and well-understood architecture.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by detaro » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:43 PM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #107

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a challenge game companies have had for a long time. Sometimes, being bold means trying new architectures... But the important thing is making sure they are easy to adopt. That's the irony of the 'lesson' of the PS3 being hard to develop for; Sega learned that one the hard way with the Saturn.

I guess that’s my question, was the Cell fundamentally bad or was it just too new, different and hard to adopt? If it’s the latter then building the PS4 on the cell as well should have been fine as by that point it’s a well-known and well-understood architecture.

Even if it's well-understood, being fundamentally different than the other platforms is still a cost for anyone not exclusively making Playstation titles.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by Dahoon » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:43 PM UTC

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

>At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

What you are saying is really:

>At the same time, on X86 I can play almost any game it has existed in X86 history.

What you could compare to if you want apples to apples could be how many old ARM games you can play on X86 or how many old X86 games you can play on ARM.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by zuppy » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 1:48 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #86

vultour wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

To add to this, if you don’t play often enough, when you do want to jump on the couch and play with a friend, you have to wait 15 minutes for your console to upgrade.

this is not the way it has been on ps4, for sure it is not the way it works on ps5. ps4 can do updates when it is on stand by. i don’t know about xbox, but i presume it is the same.