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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

No, and it won’t until December. However it is now clear that it _will_ happen. Traditionally, once it becomes inevitable, candidates concede.

Whether or not it will happen remains to be seen. Certainly I won't deny that among the people who have faith in the media (Biden supporters) they are convinced it will happen.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

Funny enough, the US usually supports a more European model of government when it does nation building.

Should have been a tell when neither Germany nor Japan looked anything like our government when they were redesigned.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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post #100

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> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

The election is a legal process and it's declared him the presumptive winner. Same as Trump on election night in 2016. Everything else that happens are formalities, however important and necessary. Other than the 2000 election, we haven't waited this long to announce the next president following a presidential election. And it isn't even close, Biden has more differential votes by percentage than Nixon, Truman, or Re…

False. These are not just formalities. Corporate media making their declarations have no weight whatsoever.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon.

I think this very much remains to be seen. There’s a history of movements like this, essentially based around one figure and lacking a coherent ideology, crumbling once Dear Leader is perceived as a loser. It’s not inevitable that that will happen in this case, but it’s certainly plausible.

I would assume that most of his bluster about actually winning is aimed more at casting doubt on this in the minds of his followers than any realistic hope of overturning the process.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and t…

> Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice.

I won't comment on whether the US is red or blue or purple.

However, it's quite clear that the Trump administration specifically and the Republican party in general have been engaged in actively suppressing voters in general, and the democratic party's electorate in specific.

We're talking about an administration that, while fully aware that there was a disproportionate and significant amount of pro-Democratic party voters who depended on mail-in ballots to cast their vote, they did their best to:

* sabotage the USPS's ability to process and ship mail up to the election,

* enforce rules refusing to account for all mail-in ballots,

* and prop up their own electorate to vote in person to avoid the risk of their votes being filtered out by their sabotage campaign.

We're talking about a campaign designed to filter out votes to competing candidates, hoping to skew election results in your favor.

This is not how a party that values basic democratic values operates.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

Trump appears to have done better with minority voters than any other Republican presidential candidate in recent memory, which will do something to counter the 'aging out' that you describe.

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. In Washington state where I used to live has had universal mail in ballots for many years and they had ballot drop boxes that were swept on election day. Th…

Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any…

You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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post #98

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Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

Trump appears to have done better with minority voters than any other Republican presidential candidate in recent memory, which will do something to counter the 'aging out' that you describe.

I haven’t dived into the exit poll data yet (by county, race, income, and age), but it really depends on which states those voters reside in. If they’re in states almost blue (Texas and Georgia, for example), it’s moot.

Florida is likely a lost cause (between conservative minorities and the elderly), but you don’t need Florida to win national elections (clearly). If the electoral college is done away with, it’s also moot, as there is enough popular vote margin at the national level to always go blue.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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What's more surprising is how close this was given the past four years.

That's because, despite all the "it's Russia's fault" hysteria, Trump more or less represents about 50% of Americans- as these elections have just shown. The scary part (to me, as a European) is that this means that a good chunk of the other 50%, while certainly despising Trump, cannot be ideologically that distant- they live in the same country and immersed in the same culture after all.

It's actually way worse than that. About a quarter of eligible voters voted for each. Half the population sat and watched the last four years, and still couldn't be bothered.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

Not necessarily. Note that minority votes for Trump increased (even among blacks) in the 2020 election: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/here-are-the-voter-d... The Democrats really need to get on the ball and start listening to the public.
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