About the security content of iOS 12.4.9 • Hacker News Board

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by mikestew » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:04 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #50

Y-bar wrote: post #43

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It was to extend the battery life, which was a workaround for the flawed battery design (contra CPU power draw). I bought an iPhone SE in the first month available and it started throttling by month 10, I'm not a battery designer, but I did not buy a device marketed as 2x the speed of 5S only for it to silently drop to 0.8x the speed of the 5S less than a year later.

the flawed battery design I'm going to play the odds and guess that you're not a battery designer.

I wish they gave those odds in Vegas: OP said right there in their comment that they're not a battery designer. Now, granted, perhaps OP should have not run their fingers on the keyboard about topics they know little to nothing about...

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by zimpenfish » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:08 AM UTC

ezekg wrote: post #16

als0 wrote: post #13

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The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

How do you still have one that's running OK? My Apple products almost always "die" after a few years. I had the 5S but one day it crashed and would not turn back on no matter what I did. The iPhone I had before that did the same thing.

I have a 4S that's still running perfectly happily. Can't do much with it, mind, given that everything is wildly out of date but it may yet get repurposed as a webcam when I get some free time.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by snazz » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:08 AM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #76

rozab wrote: post #19

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What about the fact that android has 3 times the market share?

In the US, iOS has the majority of market share at 52.4%, and Android has 47%[1]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held...

The US isn't representative of the rest of the world in this regard. That's why any discussion of iMessage is filled with half the people arguing that iMessage it the best thing since sliced bread (Americans) and the other half saying they never use it.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by texasbigdata » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:22 AM UTC

als0 wrote: post #13

alewi481 wrote: post #10

I'd like to give kudos to Apple for including the iPhone 5S in this security update, which was released on September 20, 2013, over 7 years ago! Supporting a product for even 3 years is rare in the smartphone world.

The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

Some YouTube gadget reviewers agree with you and predict some “revivals”.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by philistine » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:24 AM UTC

Dahoon wrote: post #62

jtbayly wrote: post #49

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No, because devices can be and sometimes are sold with software that is already out of date. The better indicator is how long software support is provided for a device from beginning to end.

Sure but that doesn't change how long they supported after end of sale which wasn't in 2013 but at least until 2017. So ~3 years of software updates from end of sale. Still OK but not anything special.

You decided to count the days of support in a completely uncommon way that no one usually discusses but decided that three years was ok based on the common way people count, which is since initial release.

You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by philistine » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 12:26 AM UTC

radicaldreamer wrote: post #86

bradlys wrote: post #21

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Well, let's not get crazy. It's fine (I'm using it currently because my Samsung S9 died) but it's definitely no perfect phone. It doesn't even have water resistance and the screen to body ratio is pretty bad, IMO. Only upside is the thing is built in such a way that it has barely taken any damage from the years of abuse I put it through. I'm likely getting an iPhone 12 Pro Max very soon and will continue to only use…

You're going from a 5s to a Pro Max? That's almost a jump across product categories... like switching from an iPhone to an iPad Mini.

Or from a Commodore 64 to a first-generation iMac.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by supernova87a » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 1:04 AM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #38

ponker wrote: post #12

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This is why Apple makes the cheapest smartphones, as long as you avoid dropping them.

until Apple throttles the hardware with their software updates [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/13/21322867/apple-iphone-bat...

This is just great, and you see why it's so hard to be a product manufacturer.

Not only does the person not understand why it was done, and that it produced a phone that would be functional for longer lifetime than if it hadn't been implement, but he also continues spreading unhelpful information to others.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by snazz » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 1:11 AM UTC

diebeforei485 wrote: post #84

ValentineC wrote: post #78

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> The support for MacBooks is actually great. Certain Late 2013 and Mid 2014 Retina MacBook Pros, while considered vintage, will be receiving the Big Sur update. I think it's more likely that Apple's new frameworks don't require any fancy hardware features that aren't available in the Late 2013 MacBook Pros.

It's true that laptop computers have not changed as much over the years. This in large part because Intel CPU's and architecture have not changed as much, while iPhone CPU's have improved by leaps and bounds. I wonder how much this might change when Apple Silicon comes to the Mac.

It feels like smartphones are stabilizing as well. I don't see myself needing to replace my iPhone 8 for a while, even though there have been three more generations afterwards. An iPhone 5 felt much more outdated at the time of the 6s/SE.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 1:14 AM UTC

Jtsummers wrote: post #59

jtbayly wrote: post #49

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No, because devices can be and sometimes are sold with software that is already out of date. The better indicator is how long software support is provided for a device from beginning to end.

Hah. This bit us when I got my mother an iPhone SE (2016) to replace her iPhone 4 a year or so ago. I tried to restore from iCloud backup and it kept failing, and finally it dawned on me that the OS may have been out of date. Skipped the restore, updated the OS, and wiped the phone. The restore worked correctly.

On the flip side, the Apple guys have a lot of patience to deal with my stubborn ass trying to activate an iPhone 4... the non-SIM servers were taken offline years ago so I popped in a SIM and off I went.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by CalChris » Fri, Nov 06, 2020, 1:28 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #15

als0 wrote: post #13

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The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

If the 5S is perfect, what's the iPhone SE (2016)?

What's in your back pocket? Seriously, love my SE. I just got the battery replaced, $49 taken from a MacBook trade-in value, so basically free since I can't use that money any other way.