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Intermittent fasting increases hippocampal neurogenesis in mice

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Re: Intermittent fasting increases hippocampal neurogenesis in mice

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For anyone wondering: > Adult hippocampal neurogenesis is a process that describes the generation of new functional DGCs from adult neural stem cells through the amplification of intermediate progenitors and neuroblasts, as well as the integration of these new neurons into the existing neural circuits. Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0036-2#:~:text=Ad... .

Is this a breaking change or backwards compatible?

if the first digit of the genome has changed, it's a breaking change, if not, it's backwards compatible.

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For anyone wondering: > Adult hippocampal neurogenesis is a process that describes the generation of new functional DGCs from adult neural stem cells through the amplification of intermediate progenitors and neuroblasts, as well as the integration of these new neurons into the existing neural circuits. Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0036-2#:~:text=Ad... .

:/ Anyone care to ELI5 please?

I worked in a neurogenesis lab for three years, so my attempt:

The cells in our body are continuously replaced throughout our life, with the exception of our brain cells. For many many years we believed that mammals didn't create new brains cells in adulthood. You were born, your brain grew and developed as you became an adult, and then you were done.

About 20 years ago we realized that that was mostly true, but small parts of the brain continued to produce neurons through adulthood. This happens in two important parts of the brain:

- the hippocampus, which is associated with memory

- the olfactory bulb, which is associated with sense of smell (and memories related to it).

Humans have a relatively weak sense of smell, and if we create new neurons in the olfactory bulb it's much less than other mammals.

The process is convoluted, but small regions of the brain create those new neurons and they migrate through fluid-filled holes in your brain - most die, but a small % survive and incorporate themselves into that brain structure. The key thing to realize is that neurogenesis accounts for a tiny fraction of the neurons in our brain, and yet it's still an important process.

So why does adult neurogenesis matter, and what does it do for us? Neurogenesis is tied to our ability to learn and form new memories. So, if it's impaired, our ability to learn is reduced. There are tons of things that impact it - age, sleep levels, exercise, among others.

In the lab I worked at, we used to induce a form of brain damage to rats which greatly impaired neurogenesis, then run them through mazes, which they did quite poorly at.

We took some of those same brain-damaged rats and had them run in exercise wheels for two weeks, and they were suddenly doing just fine at maze tasks. When we stained and looked at their brain, their neurogenesis rate was back up to (or even above) normal levels.

We've known for a long time that exercise is great for your health, and there's a growing body of evidence that the same is true for intermittent fasting. What's interesting is that it's not just good for your overall body health, but both can help keep your brain working optimally by increasing neurogenesis and BDNF (which protects your existing neurons).

Re: Intermittent fasting increases hippocampal neurogenesis in mice

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Will my values change in ways that they are unlikely to change without the changes to my brain? By analogy, drinking alcohol has temporarily affects on my judgement because it affects my brain chemistry and on the whole it makes my judgement worse (although sometimes it has removed unhelpful inhibitions). To me the premise that the possibility of changing my brain through fasting is unquestionably a silver bullet fre…

I don't think that we need to apply a value to neurogenesis and I do not think the authors do either except that it seems to be correlated with other quote good behaviors like exercise. Presumably neurogenesis is occurring all the time and is restricted to a small set of regions in the brain and the new neurons form in just those very strict set of regions. Those neurons are not moving to the neocortex, just a few mi…

I think the primary "function" attributed to adult hippocampal neurogenesis is improved memory.

But the parent comment is unfair insofar as scientists don't randomly chose to food deprive or "vivisect" animals because they think it's intrinsically fun. Running these experiments requires a huge amount of annoying busy work that I can't imagine anyone choosing to do without being paid or having some other motive.

In particular, the reason intermittent fasting is studied is because there's a large and increasing body of research that suggests that it may be of benefit to a wide variety of health measures.

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Details to pay attention to; - It is not stated if the diets are isocaloric or hypocaloric; probably because it wasn't measured. Timing restrictions and calorie restrictions are two different stressors on the body, and all else being equal stress is positively correlated with neurodegenerative effects. It might as well be only isocaloric intermittent fasting is indicative of BDNF increase and hippocampal neurogenesis…

Also, is the diversity of metabolism found in humans taken into account? Some humans are 50kg, others are 100kg. Some are naturally skinnier, some are fatter. Surely it must have an impact on fasting rythmes too.

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:/ Anyone care to ELI5 please?

I worked in a neurogenesis lab for three years, so my attempt: The cells in our body are continuously replaced throughout our life, with the exception of our brain cells. For many many years we believed that mammals didn't create new brains cells in adulthood. You were born, your brain grew and developed as you became an adult, and then you were done. About 20 years ago we realized that that was mostly true, but smal…

It's worth noting that there's some controversy about the extent of adult neurogenesis in humans. If it exists it's likely at the scale of a few neurons per day. Whether or not that means that increasing it by fasting is important is unclear.

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I worked in a neurogenesis lab for three years, so my attempt: The cells in our body are continuously replaced throughout our life, with the exception of our brain cells. For many many years we believed that mammals didn't create new brains cells in adulthood. You were born, your brain grew and developed as you became an adult, and then you were done. About 20 years ago we realized that that was mostly true, but smal…

It's worth noting that there's some controversy about the extent of adult neurogenesis in humans. If it exists it's likely at the scale of a few neurons per day. Whether or not that means that increasing it by fasting is important is unclear.

Yeah, a 2018 UCSF study was unable to find any adult neurogenesis in humans, so it's still a controversial subject when it comes to humans.

Even if we had confidence that adult neurogenesis occurs in humans, we can't really expose humans to a stimuli, kill them and then do a BrdU stain, so it's difficult to know how well any rat study translates over to humans.

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I'm pretty sure that "24 hr of food deprivation on a daily basis" would leave you dead!

can stuff themselves on leap seconds

I've drank canned chilli, and I bet if super motivated I could drink a can in a second.

Sadly, leap seconds are rare.

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