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Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Hi HN! We last crossed paths 6 months ago, when we shared Tara 1.0, a simple Jira alternative. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23033387 I'm one of the creators of Tara, and with support and feedback from the community, we've been hard at work building this v1.5 release over 24 sprints and 500+ pull requests. Several of you asked for an improved Github sync, PRs and commits tracked in tasks, alongside a Gitlab in…

To set up my question, maybe I should share a sort of hazy crackpot vision or dream. So when I look at Git, I see a variety of postmodernism that's like “look, we’re not being pretentiously intellectual or even pessimistic—we’re being realistic , software just is a postmodern world, Alice and Bob both have software that they call ‘Linux’ on their laptops, and they just aren’t the same source code, but they are both L…

I really enjoyed your setup to the question and it did really make me think about issue management in deeper detail.

I think that one of the points that you raise is quite valid - that issue tracking should really be integrated into version control.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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"Free" is the worst pricing of all. Open-source is great. One time purchase price is great for products that don't require maintenance. Subscription pricing is perfectly valid for online services that are not open-source. Free? Free is the worst. I don't get any trust that the service will stay around, it can completely change along the way to "paid", and I don't get to keep anything in that case.

Free like in Netlify where you end'up paying hundreds of dollars/month for a static side hosted on a cdn. Free means: settle in, bring everything you have over here, come on, we will discuss pricing later on when you're stuck in my bubble.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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"Free" is the worst pricing of all. Open-source is great. One time purchase price is great for products that don't require maintenance. Subscription pricing is perfectly valid for online services that are not open-source. Free? Free is the worst. I don't get any trust that the service will stay around, it can completely change along the way to "paid", and I don't get to keep anything in that case.

Free like in Netlify where you end'up paying hundreds of dollars/month for a static side hosted on a cdn. Free means: settle in, bring everything you have over here, come on, we will discuss pricing later on when you're stuck in my bubble.

Hundreds? What is costing you so much?

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Given the timing, I was expecting to see an on-prem alternative to Jira, so this is disappointing.

For an on prem alternative to Jira, you can have a look at Tuleap.

We (I'm from the dev team) don't aims to re-do a "simple" alternative to jira because there are tons of them and they fall short when things to track get more complex. You can do simple (as github) you can do hellish (as jira) but unlike jira, you don't mandate one model over another (no hundreds of un-necessary fields because someone asked them once).

It's GPL, there is an entreprise plan, it's available on prem and cloud.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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This is a bit of a meta-discussion (apologies to the people at Tara, they did a fantastic job!), but is the market really large enough for the insane amount of productivity tools that have been released over the past few years? From Airtable, to Monday, to Hugo, to Tara, to Asana, etc., etc. It feels like there's a lot of stagnation here, also. If I was building a product management tool, I would certainly not make i…

I think Tara is on the right track by doing a deep integration with Github and Gitlab. IMHO project management tools need to track progress automatically where possible and grab relevant information related to pull request status, CI/CD feedback etc.

The Gitlab and Github issue trackers do that and aren't that bad for managing large scale projects actually. Their weakness is that they are inherently tied to a single source repository and most teams and organizations would have many of those. Fragmenting information across multiple issue trackers is not ideal. IMHO Microsoft is on to something by grabbing Github and deeply integrating it into their stack. CI/CD is where the action is and a lot of that is cloud centric and a great opportunity for upselling things like Azure. I've been keeping an eye on the github issue tracker and they've added some nice features there related to project management. There's also codespaces, project discussions (in beta currently) and a few other features that basically indicates to me that they want to be a one stop shop for anything a development team needs. An org level issue tracker that aggregates information from all source repos and their issue trackers would be a great move for them.

Jira has plugins for github integration that I've never seen working properly; most of them you need to pay for to even find out if they work or how. But the core issue is that this is clearly an afterthought for Atlassian and their tools are generally UX challenged resource hogs that are poorly integrated with each other even. They don't do github because they are still flogging the dead horse that is bitbucket; which is thankfully a lot less commonly used than gitlab and github. Basically they have a lot of me too products; I like exactly none of them. Trello used to be kind of nice and they sort of bolted it onto Jira in a weird way.

We are currently on Asana and kind of liking it but the lack of github integration is not great. What's also not great is the lack of markdown support and things like code samples. But it gets the job done and the non techies in our company like it too; which is important for us.

For a lot of projects I do, the release process these days is centered around github releases and github actions. E.g. we have internal libraries that we tag that get subsequently built and pushed to package repositories. A new release typically addresses pull requests and closes issues. It signifies the movement of those issues from doing to done (i.e. deployed/live/etc.) and reviewed (pr approved). The act of creating a branch can signal the act of starting a task. I consider work in progress pull requests a good practice for these as you get to have early feedback and discussion around it.

Any tool that forces me to do task transitions manually is fundamentally wasting my time. Releases have release documentation associated with them. Compiling a list of "what did we actually change" manually is likewise busy work you should not have to waste brain cycles on. So deep integration with tools is the next logical step for a good issue tracker. Most existing ones don't do a great job of it. That's the market opportunity.

Atlassian is ready to be disrupted. They got too big and bloated and they are not on top of their game for a long time. There are a lot of dinosaurs using them and a lot of misguided PMs insisting that the Atlassian way is THE way. IMHO they probably should but can't afford to gobble up Gitlab and that's actually a good thing. A reverse takeover would be a great lateral move for Gitlab actually. Also Google or Amazon could do worse then attempting to buy either (or both) and mirror Microsoft's strategy of owning everything relevant to running a software project in house.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Hi HN! We last crossed paths 6 months ago, when we shared Tara 1.0, a simple Jira alternative. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23033387 I'm one of the creators of Tara, and with support and feedback from the community, we've been hard at work building this v1.5 release over 24 sprints and 500+ pull requests. Several of you asked for an improved Github sync, PRs and commits tracked in tasks, alongside a Gitlab in…

@iba99 If only company founders could be forced to pay for "free forever plan" once they are no longer free. In reality "Free for ever" seems to mean "free untill I sell the company"

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Speaking of Jira alternatives, I recently discovered Kitemaker [1], which is really nice. The UI is clean and it's fast too (has keyboard shortcuts for everything, etc). [1] https://kitemaker.co/

Hi. Co-founder of Kitemaker here. Thanks for the kind words! Do let us know if you have any feedback or improvements you'd like to see.
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