You are a retard.
This is not how discussions work on HN. 4chan might be a better place for you to hang out.
EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spotify, Booking.com, Adyen, Takeaway.com, ASML are a couple I'm aware of - with a bias to the country I happen to be from. Also note that the EU is not always trying to push for global regulations - it's trying to push for EU-wide regulations which, by virtue of being strictest and a superset of global regulations, often end up as global regulations.
Spotify and Shopify figured out the same thing: use the large, homogenous US market to springboard and hyper scale globally, before some US company does it first. Spotify got so big thanks to Facebook providing it an artifical shot in the arm, courtesy of Sean Parker's inside position in both companies (the spam method Spotify used to promote itself via Facebook was then promptly limited not long afterward).
Certainly; while regulations will no doubt play a role, the fact that the EU is so much less homogenous (not just in terms of regulations) also plays a major role in making it harder for companies to scale.
Then again, I could also see that being an advantage. For example, TakeAway.com was one of a number of European companies able to quickly capture their local market. They could independently gain a foothold, and only then did consolidation start. In a more homogenous market, a big player might be able to quickly drown out stronger players with more unfortunate timing.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#103BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Happy user of Hetzner's dedicated servers. Very nice platform and lots of bang for the buck, paying ~$40/month for Intel Core i7-980, 2x HDD SATA 2,0 TB, 1x SSD SATA 250 GB, 3x RAM 8192 MB DDR3 and unlimited traffic. Hard to beat really.
Only gripe is that they only have servers in Europe, wish they had at least North/South American + Asian centers too.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
You want your access to Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc to be blocked?
Yes. I want that. This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out features in Germany after 7 years) and best of all: JOBS. This would lead to millions of jobs. It would make Europe super interesting for high skilled labor and bring a nice twist into the migration problem we are facing now. Yes, this would hurt America, but yeah...…
There's a sense in which I agree with you, but it's for a different reason.
I want a future where the "foundational" internet services (like chat, broadcast social, payments, etc) are decentralised/federated. And it seems like that's the end result of increased internet-service protectionism.
This won't be possible with all internet services, but it seems plausible for several of the large, stabilised ones. Though I'm not sure whether we're quite ready for it yet.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
TB approach with „national champions“ can work too and may work better in a situation where there’s competitive market with few dominant players with unlimited resources. Look at Russia: they have achieved very high digitalization of government and society on locally built infrastructure. There are some state actors involved, e.g. Rostech, but large private companies did the majority of work, quite often not being di…
I don't think I would ever point to Russian markets as an example of how well things can work.
What do you know about them?
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#106You are a retard.
This is not how discussions work on HN. 4chan might be a better place for you to hang out.
Yes we’ve all heard it before. It “strictly lowers the signal to noise ratio. We are trying to do something different here.”
No, this goal is not helping. This makes HN just like every other shithole online that censors its users. It makes the conversations inorganic and inauthentic. Ad hominems, while in poor taste, are protected by freedom of speech, and armchair expert white knights like yourself are only contributing to the lower SNR.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#107Let me guess, SAP and Deutsche Telekom will grab the funding?
It will be the most expensive and unreliable "cloud services" with arrogant customer service and 24 months contracts.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#108BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Hetzner doesn't compete with AWS, Azure or Google Cloud. They compete primarily with companies like DigitalOcean, Linode, Vultr, OVH, Scaleway and traditional co-location and dedicated hosts. Look at the software offerings from Hetzner, they're barely existent. AWS and Hetzner are very clearly not in the same business. AWS makes its money primarily off of software services, Hetzner makes money primarily off of primit…
AWS is a corporate parasite - this is their real main offering, which feeds unnecessary or already unavoidable existing complexities. Being a long time AWS user myself (like in half of my projects), first thing I do with any new client, is try hard to persuade not to use AWS.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#109This smells a bit Soviet. Instead of allowing small businesses to breathe more freely, take more risk and grow to US size companies (in 3x larger internal market!) they try to build a top down copy using an army of grant and procurement funds eaters.. despicable.
Which market is 3x larger? The US and EU are comparable markets in size; minus Britain the EU is economically moderately smaller than the US (by 20%-25%) however still a solid direct comparison. The estimates for 2020 so far by the IMF have the US at $20.8 trillion, China at $15.2 trillion, and the EU at $14.9 trillion (this will be the first year since the EU's inception that China will have a larger economy than th…
Ok, I can be at fault here, still nothing stops EU from making local businesses more comfortable on ANY market.
Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would stop the US from taking revenge with targeted sanctions? The EU has caused this for themselves. It is nearly impossible to start a small tech company in the EU, due to the vaugeness of the GDPR (Yes, I know people will claim it helps privacy but people are not willing to pay for online content so it will be unprofitable in the EU). Not even going into the future plans of the EU to "regelate" tech that make…
> What would stop the US from taking revenge with targeted sanctions? The US would of course immediately respond in kind. The EU's actions would essentially eliminate the WTO and any pretense that there is a system of functional global trade or globalism; it would amplify the notion that we've entered a new era of hyper nationalism. The EU bet would be: the US benefits a lot more from its tech dominance in Europe, th…
The US is already in the process of moving bases from Turkey into Poland and Romania. Those states cannot count on the EU for defense against Russia and they're already on good terms with the US, UK and Israel. The US also needs more reliable allies than Turkey in the Black Sea basin. Turkey was conveniently close to Iran and Russia but thanks to Edrogan's ambitions it fell out with the US.