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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by kuschku »

JW_00000 wrote: post #60
kuschku wrote: post #50

I’ve been using Plasma for years, but after this release talking so much about the wayland improvements, the actual result is more than disappointing. First, to explain my setup: I've got a Dell UP2718Q in landscape, 3840x2160, 10-bit in DCI-P3 colorspace at 1.5x scale at 60Hz, side-by-side with a Fujitsu Siemens P17-2 in portrait, 1024x1280, 8-bit in sRGB colorspace at 1x scale at 75Hz 10-bit support isn’t there yet…

Can I ask how you managed to set a different scale factor for each screen? In the system settings I can only find a global scale factor... Or is this only supported using Wayland?

KDE on wayland supports it natively, on X11 you could set the environment variable QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS, but this will only affect Qt/KDE applications, not Gtk/Gnome applications

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

shmerl wrote: post #99
dleslie wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Critically, I tend to use low-power machines because I hate fan noise and excessive heat. I was using KDE on an RPi4 and Pinebook Pro. For basically all the computing that I do these machines are more than powerful enough; but apparently not for KDE (or Gnome3!)

I like silent operation too, but I do the opposite, get a big case with 200 mm Noctua fans and double Noctua CPU cooler :) It runs very silently even with high end Ryzen. The heat as long as it's dissipated out of the case to keep the system cool doesn't bother me.

That doesn't provide a low-power solution, just a silent solution; you're still dissipating a lot of heat.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by shmerl »

dleslie wrote: post #102
shmerl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like silent operation too, but I do the opposite, get a big case with 200 mm Noctua fans and double Noctua CPU cooler :) It runs very silently even with high end Ryzen. The heat as long as it's dissipated out of the case to keep the system cool doesn't bother me.

That doesn't provide a low-power solution, just a silent solution; you're still dissipating a lot of heat.

Yes, but I don't need a low power solution. I need something that can compile things in reasonable time.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by vdfs »

vvillena wrote: post #37
mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

It's just one more setting for the already extremely configurable Task Manager. For new users, it changes a default (the option to group is already there, with an extra toggle that activates it only when the task bar is full). I think the "cycle window on click" is a new option. KDE is all about giving lots of options to users, but at the same time they aren't afraid to experiment and change its defaults to try to ap…

Before this KDE grouped them by default when task bar is full, it's one of the settings you have to change which take about 2 seconds. It's impossible to make a DE that fit all tastes with default settings, that's why we have settings

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

shmerl wrote: post #103
dleslie wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't provide a low-power solution, just a silent solution; you're still dissipating a lot of heat.

Yes, but I don't need a low power solution. I need something that can compile things in reasonable time.

I have a separate server for that, tucked away where I can't see it and I can easily vent the heat.

Builds never slow down my desktop experience.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by nitrogen »

kuschku wrote: post #100
diffeomorphism wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a stupid question, but why? If you care about high resolution and good colors why are you keeping the low res second monitor? If you don't care about hires, why not simply set the Dell one to a lower resolution and not worry about scaling at all?

The combination of both monitors allows me to check each of my designs both on a high-quality monitor, as e.g. a mac user would have, and on a low-quality monitor. You probably also have encountered websites which are designed for tiny monitors, and end up with text stretched across 40cm (e.g. HN) or websites with razor-thin text that is basically unreadable on cheaper monitors. As I work in UI/UX design, I want to a…

designed for tiny monitors,

Or designed for non-maximized windows. It gets pretty frustrating when sites serve me a mobile version just because my window isn't 3000 pixels wide.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by vdfs »

kuschku wrote: post #100
diffeomorphism wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a stupid question, but why? If you care about high resolution and good colors why are you keeping the low res second monitor? If you don't care about hires, why not simply set the Dell one to a lower resolution and not worry about scaling at all?

The combination of both monitors allows me to check each of my designs both on a high-quality monitor, as e.g. a mac user would have, and on a low-quality monitor. You probably also have encountered websites which are designed for tiny monitors, and end up with text stretched across 40cm (e.g. HN) or websites with razor-thin text that is basically unreadable on cheaper monitors. As I work in UI/UX design, I want to a…

KScreen is weird, i had a scaling issue that happen if at boot, both my 21"+27" are connected (they are both FHD), but if i boot with 27" monitor then after login connect 21" there is no scaling issue. Maybe that could help you somehow You can also try to put your PC in Sleep instead of restart each time, if you have a good UPS and some redundancy

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by nitrogen »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #79
JW_00000 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask how you managed to set a different scale factor for each screen? In the system settings I can only find a global scale factor... Or is this only supported using Wayland?

Yes, it is only supported in Wayland because X is limited to one global scaling factor.

I don't think X is so limited. You can use the xrandr tool to set pretty much arbitrary positioning and scaling for each screen, at least with the proprietary NVidia drivers.

But that is GPU scaling, not framework scaling.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by adkadskhj »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #78
kuschku wrote: post #50

I’ve been using Plasma for years, but after this release talking so much about the wayland improvements, the actual result is more than disappointing. First, to explain my setup: I've got a Dell UP2718Q in landscape, 3840x2160, 10-bit in DCI-P3 colorspace at 1.5x scale at 60Hz, side-by-side with a Fujitsu Siemens P17-2 in portrait, 1024x1280, 8-bit in sRGB colorspace at 1x scale at 75Hz 10-bit support isn’t there yet…

Maybe a stupid question, but why? If you care about high resolution and good colors why are you keeping the low res second monitor? If you don't care about hires, why not simply set the Dell one to a lower resolution and not worry about scaling at all?

Wouldn't a lower resolution result in worse clarity?

I also have a 4k and a 1080p. The 4k is my primary work monitor - i want crisp text. The 1080p is actually a gaming monitor (plus 244hz), since my card can't push 4k for gaming at 244hz hah.

Could i have two 4ks? Yes, but originally this setup was used by my macbook pro, and i wasn't confident it could push two 4ks. Futhermore my 1080p gaming monitor would have to go somewhere, and i'd like to not have two different desk setups.

My setup these days is to scale everything x2 (in KDE or XFCE, currently i'm on XFCE), and then scale my 1080p _down_ via xrandr (as i'm not on Wayland).

Sidenote, Mac handles these two monitors _perfectly_. I complain a lot about Mac, hence me being on Linux at the moment - but these monitor scaling issues were entirely gone in OSX. I never noticed a single scaling issue. Where as on Windows there are lots of quirks, and Linux i could barely get it to work.

Hopefully Wayland makes this experience better.

*(Sidenote: i'm on XFCE atm because KDE on NixOS felt a bit sluggish. Maybe it was just the animations, hard to say. XFCE felt a bit snappier. GNOME was a laggy mess, hah. KDE and XFCE were both good though, XFCE was just a bit better for me on unmeasured performance feel)

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by whateveracct »

ashton314 wrote: post #88

Ugh! KDE is so pretty and so configurable except in the one way that I really need: I need an easy way to set Emacs-style keystrokes globally. Do this and I’m sold forever. (That aside, very exciting update!) Is there anything like Karabiner or AutoHotKey for KDE that lets you download predefined keyboard shortcuts?

This is pretty much the only feature I miss from MacOS.
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