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Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by oarsinsync »

huhtenberg wrote: post #79
neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

> If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it Just don't connect it to the Internet. The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

> The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

We're closer to that than you think. My Philips Ambilight television (purchased this year) throws a popup every few weeks already complaining that I've not completed setup and connected it to the internet.

As sold as I am on Ambilight (it is actually brilliant), I wont be buying another Philips television.

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by conradfr »

xenadu02 wrote: post #51

Obviously you can buy "commercial signage" displays which are panels without the crapware. Anyone have recommendations for units they've bought this way? I've avoided upgrading my super old LCD because at least my current one is somewhat stupid and so long as I don't connect it to the network it mostly does what I bought it for: display the pixels.

Do they have sound?

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by [deleted] »

fxtentacle wrote: post #88
huhtenberg wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it Just don't connect it to the Internet. The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

Then I'll start selling a little $50 box to emulate internet and route all update / advertisement requests to /dev/null :) Or maybe we (the tech community) just agree on one model and produce an open source firmware. If you look at MagicLantern for Canon, you'll see how amazingly far people will go to control their hardware.

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Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by flucivja »

huhtenberg wrote: post #79
neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

> If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it Just don't connect it to the Internet. The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

just thinking what would happen if I block connection to Ads services in my router...

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by rvwaveren »

UncleSlacky wrote: post #81
traveler01 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so stupid. When I bought my TV it didn't behave like this, but now for some stupid reason I need to get ads on it? I mean, normal TV it's 90% ads 10% content, do we need to watch even more ads? Anyone has any idea on how adding a filter like AdBlocker to your router? Never thought about this but it's getting useful af.

Pi-Hole would probably do the trick: https://pi-hole.net/

Yes, that works! I have a Samsung Frame + PiHole. Incredible amount of network requests are blocked now.

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by kavi87 »

walrus01 wrote: post #45
silon42 wrote: post #35

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I just fear they will start doing Internet via TV box via HDMI... it will be time to cancel that too, or use it via VGA converter.

a lot of people don't know that HDMI can carry the equivalent of 100BaseTX Ethernet, which is definitely a threat in this scenario.

That's another design flaw of this terrible mess that is "Ethernet" and these horrible protocols that we cannot change ever

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by fxtentacle »

okr wrote: post #33
rini17 wrote: post #7

When I wrote about phones "Mass market is demanding products nonsensically thin to the detriment of other properties, because it was told to. It could be told otherwise." I got laughed off. That the market isn't going to serve my fancy preferences. But this is the same thing, the market is repeatedly told to ask for smart devices, even when dumb TV is all the users need.

Seems like, there are a lot of opinions out there. I often hear, what i can do on my phone i also want to see on tv. May it be playing music, movies, series, etc.. So a seamless integration from the start without another device like apple tv is a plus. Same happens to screen in cars.

In cars, you usually just connect your phone with a cable. I would be happy to connect my phone to a TV and then just have it mirror the screen.

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by pabs3 »

mercora wrote: post #85
pabs3 wrote: post #78

There used to be open source firmware for Samsung TVs called SamyGo, it would be great if it were ported to newer ones so the ads could be replaced with Kodi or similar. https://www.samygo.tv/

this is merely a modification of the original software on the TV which is achieved by gaining root access on it which is currently not easily possible on more recent models.

I don't see any recent TV-specific CVEs for Samsung but it would be surprising if none exist.

https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=Samsung

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by ahelwer »

nonninz wrote: post #26
Shivetya wrote: post #6

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Well that does get very difficult with TV since a large number of people stream, the app on my LG is actually better than my Apple TV but it is toss up with the Roku on the other TV. So I am going to say, for the technically inclined its time to chase down your router firewall logs and find where the TV is going to for ads and block the IP or port range. Would be curious what the TV does, properly engineered it shoul…

I have also a LG TV, and I used to keep it disconnected at all times as all my streaming comes from the nVidia Shield anyway. However recently I wanted to setup my home automation system to automatically turn the TV off when I go to bed or outside, and for that I needed to connect it to the home network. I solved this by confguring the router firewall to drop any package from the TV to the internet. It works!

Sadly google has started serving ads on the android TV home screen, which will presumably affect the shield.
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