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Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a boatload of 2 column PDFs on my phone. Liquid Mode has been on PDF Reader on Android for... it feels like a year now? And it's fantastic. Without it I have to constantly pinch and zoom and swipe to the upper right to start a new column, etc. I hate PDFs, but if I want to read a document I've stored in print fidelity from the 80s on my phone, Liquid is rock solid.

Which android pdf reader has it?

I would guess Adobe's? Or otherwise it's not "Liquid Mode" but a similar feature...

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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Is everyone in such a rush to comment that they don't even bother to RTFA? A majority of the comments here are knee-jerk reactions to a headline that was misunderstood...smh. Liquid mode is simply a tool to make it easier to consume PDF content on mobile devices. This is definitely a good thing especially since it is opt-in (you press a button to engage liquid mode in the reader).

The problem is that PDF has already had a few cycles of adding and then shedding off useless, and frankly, dangerous ideas because they keep trying fit a square peg in a round hole.

Yes but, as it stands, this is a change to a PDF reader, not a change to PDF.

Of course, it's Adobe's reader. So the chances that this will lead to even more mucking about with the format are pretty high.

Which hey, for me that's job security. Which is not to say I look forward to it...

But Liquid Mode, now with more machine learning, isn't those changes. It's just reader mode for PDF.

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

#103

Is everyone in such a rush to comment that they don't even bother to RTFA? A majority of the comments here are knee-jerk reactions to a headline that was misunderstood...smh. Liquid mode is simply a tool to make it easier to consume PDF content on mobile devices. This is definitely a good thing especially since it is opt-in (you press a button to engage liquid mode in the reader).

Touch screens already make reading pdfs pretty easy, this seems like a solution in search of a problem to me.

I agree, my 12.9" touch screen is the best device for reading PDFs I could imagine. A ReMarkable is at least as good for black and white (I've tried it) but a lot of PDFs are full color.

PDF on a phone is unremitting pain. I'd rather muddle through on a laptop. I'll give this this a shot, it might help, and it can't hurt, since it's just a button you can push that says "make this thing legible, maybe".

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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The problem is that the PDF standard tells each letter where on the page to sit. If you need an AI to dynamically re-render the page, what good is that standard?

PDFs are good for one thing only: Printing.

I wish academia would stop using PDF to distribute online, so their documents would be easier to parse!

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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My thoughts regarding HTML as an alternative to this:

1. AFAIK, there is no standard way to bundle a webpage containing images into a single file.

2. We have EPUB, and my experience using it has been horrible. Either the format is bad or somehow every single reader I've used sucks, and I've tried many (Foliate and the now defunct Readium Chrome extension are the ones that suck the less, but the experience is still much worse than reading a PDF)

At this point, solving the bundling problem of HTML (and using normal web browsers) seems like a better course of action than trying to use EPUB.

3. Text that always fills the width of the screen sucks if you're using a screen bigger than 10 inches.

Being able to coerce a document into a page whose border is clearly delimited (just like PDF readers do it) without having to resize windows is, in my opinion, an absolute necessity. Something like:

body { border: solid black; max-width: 25em; }

Epub readers allow defining widths (or semi-equivalently: margins) but they always look bad because there isn't a visual boundary.

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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My thoughts regarding HTML as an alternative to this: 1. AFAIK, there is no standard way to bundle a webpage containing images into a single file. 2. We have EPUB, and my experience using it has been horrible. Either the format is bad or somehow every single reader I've used sucks, and I've tried many (Foliate and the now defunct Readium Chrome extension are the ones that suck the less, but the experience is still mu…

You could embed images using data: URLs. There are size limits in some browsers, particularly older ones, but you can manage some pretty high-resolution images under the limits in a modern browser.

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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My thoughts regarding HTML as an alternative to this: 1. AFAIK, there is no standard way to bundle a webpage containing images into a single file. 2. We have EPUB, and my experience using it has been horrible. Either the format is bad or somehow every single reader I've used sucks, and I've tried many (Foliate and the now defunct Readium Chrome extension are the ones that suck the less, but the experience is still mu…

> AFAIK, there’s no standard way to bundle a webpage containing images into a single file.

There’s mhtml, though I can’t speak to how well supported it is. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2557

Re: Adobe unveils multi-year vision for PDF, introduces Liquid Mode

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post #20

Imagine creating a document format so broken you need to build an artificial intelligence product to display it on smaller screens.

Its not broken, its just abused. PDF is create for printing, its not great for anything smaller than an A4 page. Other formats exist which do that fine. If you use pdf for what it was made for its fine.
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