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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by 0xy »

imposterr wrote: post #91

You know what Joe is? Joe is that fun friend I had in high school that I could just shoot the shit with. He's that dude I got high with in university and discussed all manner of topics with. Joe is the person who in my professional world, does not (and possibly cannot) exist. I miss the Joes in my life, and I think that's what originally led to me picking up his podcast. Sometimes I'm just tired of all the engineerin…

What misinformation about corona did he spread? It's my understanding that governments all around the world and the WHO were also responsible for spreading massive misinformation at the start of the pandemic.

For example, WHO were vehemently against border closures with China and they parroted the CCP's lies of no community transmission in late January (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary).

Even Dr Fauci worked hard to spread the misinformation (he knew it was false at the time) that masks were not protection against the virus. He later admitted he spread this misinformation in order to protect supplies for healthcare staff.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by verylittlemeat »

seibelj wrote: post #25
happytoexplain wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incredibly uncharitable and simplistic attack on "many on the left".

Well, what is your explanation for why the mainstream left ignores / hates him? This is my explanation.

Honestly the media hating on Rogan isn't more complicated than getting eyeballs and ad revenue.

"How X makes you fat" or "Why X is more dangerous than you think" where X is something common and popular. In this case X is just Joe Rogan instead of coffee or chocolate.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by m463 »

doopy1 wrote: post #72

I like the JRE podcast a lot, but I come for the guests. Joe Rogan is an entertainer and taking what he says on the podcast as authoritative "news" is poor judgement.

I think there's an art to getting a good interview and I think people misjudge him.

I remember reading a quote that said "the golden rule of conversation is to know nothing accurately."

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by m463 »

ffggvv wrote: post #83

notice everyone started attacking him first when he endorsed bernie and now even more when he made fun of biden?

I listened to one of his podcasts where he made comments about Bernie Sanders saying some good things but some things he didn't quite buy.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by m463 »

donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

polarizing and clickbait might be synonyms.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by joshuamorton »

Scalestein wrote: post #27
vannevar wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.

Who decides what counts as a quack? One of the things I find compelling about the format of the show is that the long format really exposes people, for better or worse. If you want to find out whether Alex Jones is a quack there is probably no better evidence than watching his appearance on Rogan's podcast. Same is true for Milo Yiannopoulos (often deemed an alt-right troll) who basically had his career wrecked from…

Your memory is faulty here. Yiannopolous made his comments on a much smaller podcast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_Peasants), and the hosts challenged Milo in ways that Joe and JRE doesn't.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by greenduck »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

I mentioned this elsewhere, but people on HN eat up the argument of "do your own research, make up your own mind" as an excuse for not challenging even obvious the most obvious BS.

I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to do quality research of every guest he has on. Even if I did, I can't match the manpower or experience of a professional media outlet to do even basic fact checking. For stuff that isn't decided fact, I also don't necessarily have the breadth of knowledge to even know where to look for the competing opinions on a subject.

If I, a student, don't have the time to do that research, then what percent of a percent actually does? Like I was describing, what small fraction of that can even do that research effectively? My guess is that it goes to zero pretty quickly with the complexity of the subject.

That might not be a problem for the most controversial guests where I already have my defenses up. But, what about the more subtle guest who is pushing extreme views based on literal misinformation, but sounds plausible enough that I buy into it?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by joshuamorton »

ffggvv wrote: post #83

notice everyone started attacking him first when he endorsed bernie and now even more when he made fun of biden?

People have been complaining about the JRE for years. It's got very little to do with who he's endorsing for president.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by catmistake »

throwaway33339 wrote: post #74
catmistake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

I really don't know what you're talking about. But I do recognize a hasty generalization wrapped inside a straw man.

Not sure why I'm bothering with your bully's argument.

I said Rogan was "macho." Macho is not the equivalent of alpha, so that's another fallacy right there. I explained in simplest terms how macho could be the reason why the attention is there, which is due to evolution. Rogan isn't the meanest monkey, he's not a monkey, he's a man. So you're saying maybe the meanest monkey didn't produce the most offspring? That's evopsyche crap? Maybe the meanest monkey was outcast, and the most sensitive monkey produced the most offspring? I don't understand what you're saying.

Why would it matter to those that tune in to him how Rogan sees himself? How could anyone know that?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by koonsolo »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

> is uncritical attitude towards his guests

This is actually the part I like the most, and I think contributed the most to his success.

I don't like conflict and arguing, that is also why I stay away from the news.

His podcast feels like you meet some interesting person at the bar, and keep talking to them until the late hours.

Nobody needs to convince anyone about something.

And at the end of the night, you go home and think what you want to think.

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