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Who in their right mind would work this type of job? I suppose if you were going to get kicked out of your apartment, you might do this. Evicting people can be very dangerous, not to mention depressing.
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> Hey, it puts food on the table, and my kids are hungry. And it keeps the debt collector at bay. So does shovelling Jews into gas ovens and pulling out people's fingernails. I guess it just depends on where your internal "Do Not Cross" moral line lies.
I think you've made my point for me. If moral lines are easy enough to move that people will "shovel Jews into gas ovens and pull out people's fingernails," it's not hard to find people more than glad to cross class lines to enforce laws, whether those laws are just or corrupt (and most laws are in the middle). At the core, there are few or no internal "Do Not Cross" moral lines. Moral lines are first culturally-situ…
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I think you've made my point for me. If moral lines are easy enough to move that people will "shovel Jews into gas ovens and pull out people's fingernails," it's not hard to find people more than glad to cross class lines to enforce laws, whether those laws are just or corrupt (and most laws are in the middle). At the core, there are few or no internal "Do Not Cross" moral lines. Moral lines are first culturally-situ…
You need to fix people as "systems" are just people. The neglect has the opposite effect.
Systems are things like checks-and-balances, incentive structures, power structures, organizational design, and conflict resolution structures.
The US didn't work better than Soviet Russia because it had better people, much as Americans would like to believe themselves superior. It worked better because it had better institutions, starting with a very well-drafted Constitution.
Given a 2020 context, those structures are starting to function less well. You won't fix them by asking politicians to behave better; you need to address the structural issues.
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You need to fix people as "systems" are just people. The neglect has the opposite effect.
No. Systems are not just people. I know many organizations which have really good people, but completely toxic cultures due to systems. Systems are things like checks-and-balances, incentive structures, power structures, organizational design, and conflict resolution structures. The US didn't work better than Soviet Russia because it had better people, much as Americans would like to believe themselves superior. It w…
Untrained gig workers. Angry tenants. I can't imagine what could go wrong here.
As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.
I understand evictions trigger lots of emotions and can be terrible situations for the tenant. But so many comments here seem to treat an apartment as something the tenant is entitled to, even without payment. How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread? Staying at a place without paying rent is a form of direct theft. The non-paying-tenant is s…
I really don't understand what people expect to happen. The moratorium doesn't mean tenants are living rent-free, it just means landlords can't evict. All the missed rent payments are still due. What do people think is going to happen on January 1st, 2021, when the moratorium ends and people have many months of back rent? That rent is immediately due in order to avoid eviction. It just seems comically short sighted.…
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No. Systems are not just people. I know many organizations which have really good people, but completely toxic cultures due to systems. Systems are things like checks-and-balances, incentive structures, power structures, organizational design, and conflict resolution structures. The US didn't work better than Soviet Russia because it had better people, much as Americans would like to believe themselves superior. It w…
People make systems. Look to the people at the top to understand the foundation of culture and people-systems. People made principles as foundations for better systems.
And people at the top rarely understand implications of their actions. Organizational systems are HARD.
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People make systems. Look to the people at the top to understand the foundation of culture and people-systems. People made principles as foundations for better systems.
People at the top are beholden to other people at the top. It's a cycle. If a CEO does not appease shareholders, board members, and executives, there will be a new CEO. That's structures. And people at the top rarely understand implications of their actions. Organizational systems are HARD.
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As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.
Regarding your edit; a section of the people who browse Hacker News comments HATE landlords. Every comment I've seen from someone who has experience as one has seen a lot of downvotes. Even if they are just stating a fact or expanding on something.
Luckily, I found a remote job at Big Tech. But I dreaded thinking I might have to go through the hassle of moving pre-Covid.
I hate to get meta. But I really haven’t seen anything this weird in the years I’ve been posting here. Easily verifiable facts with no opinions being added getting downvoted and no one disagreeing with me.
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I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state. You're being downvoted because (as is common knowledge) this is definitely not true for many (and I would wager most, if not nearly all) states.
Do you have a list of states where it isn’t the case? Have you been a landlord? Have you gone through the eviction process. Choosing the three largest states. It is the process in California https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1 New York https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml Texas https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/ And a few other states. Florida: https://www.managecentra…
Like they say where I hail from: "None a 'yer bizness."
That said, a "scientific" analysis of a "representative sample" of the above links indicates that very few (if any) deal make any mention at all of the case to which we are referring: that is, where the tenant has vacated the premises (leaving their belongings on site) after the landlord has reclaimed possession.
To use just one example that does make mention - California - it says:
Any property of the tenant left on the premises will be turned over to the landlord for storage.
That is - the landlord may not, as you suggest, dispose of it as they will. Rather, they need to put it in storage for the tenant to reclaim it a future date.
And in Florida:
If the renter leaves any personal property at the rental unit, the Florida eviction laws mandate you to notify them in writing. In Florida, the law requires that you give the tenant at least 10 days to claim the property. The 10-day period is if the notice was personally delivered to the renter. If mailed, the tenant has 15 days to claim the property. You can charge the tenant for storage of the property. The costs should be reasonable. If the tenant fails to claim the property within that time, you are at liberty to dispose of it whichever way you please.
Again -- the guidelines (that you yourself posted a link to) clearly state that the landlord may not simply dispose of the property as they see fit. Rather, they need to put it (safely) in storage for a certain minimum period as prescribed by law.
That's just checking 2 of the links that you provided - both of which clearly contradict the assertion you made.