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Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

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post #93

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Things like this are why I buy "dumb" equipment, which will remain obedient to you and not the manufacturer. My white goods are all many decades old. Washer and dryer are both entirely computer-free (mechanical controls) and don't even contain a single semiconductor (unless you count the indicator bulbs I replaced with LEDs.) Many people often think the house/life of a software developer is filled with "smart" things…

Damn, that's impressive. Sadly I've yet to see an old non-electronic washer or dryer still work. Just about everything is simply worn out, even the hoses crack and crumble. But they did last a long time compared to new stuff. Tbh, there's nothing wrong with electronics, "smart" doesn't mean it needs an Internet connection.

even the hoses crack and crumble

Those are wear items, just like seals, and would definitely need to be replaced at regular intervals. Replacements are cheap and plentiful.

Tbh, there's nothing wrong with electronics, "smart" doesn't mean it needs an Internet connection

Electronics are more difficult to troubleshoot and specialised parts often become unavailable/rare quickly. I can do and have done component-level repair, but still prefer not to.

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

#102
That switch is based on a Realtek RTL838x/RTL839x SoC. An effort is currently underway to properly support these in openWRT and the mainline Linux kernel. First patch in OpenWRT is in:

https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=df...

These SoCs are used in a lot of consumer-level switches, so it's a target-rich environment! We're populating a wiki to keep track of it all, feel free to join in if you can help:

https://biot.com/switches/

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

#103
post #38

I recently bought a couple of Netgear Managed Switches (for Business)⁰ and in their datasheet they list "Local-only management" as a feature. Only after they arrived we discovered that you only get limited functionality in the Local-only management mode, you have to register the switches to your Netgear Cloud account to get access to the full functionality. Reading up on it, this was achieved only after a community o…

We buy the same type of switches (and some larger/faster ones) from Netgear since a few years.

The problem is: The old version (v2) is locally managed only, whereas the new version (v3) is with cloud management:

https://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/smart/GS1...

https://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/smart/GS1...

Maybe you looked into the datasheet of the old v2? And then got delivered the new v3?

We stumbled over the same problem a few month ago, after buying a bunch of these in the new version. I thought: Newer is better... But apparently not so with Netgear products. :-(

Very confusing, what Netgear does with their product naming!

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

#104
post #82

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What is the benefit/incentive for Netgear? Why are they pulling such a move?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism

Isn't it more likely that's it's a push to more lucrative subscription services?

Could you clarify what you're claiming here? The obvious interpretation seems far fetched.

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

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post #42

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What brand? So I know what to avoid in the future.

LG

It's the same with LG TVs. The remote app on iOS for my 2018 LG OLED TV does not launch without granting it location access. I don't understand why a TV remote app would ever need location access?

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

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This mentioned product is marked as "GC108P — Insight Managed 8-port Gigabit Ethernet PoE+ Smart Cloud Switch with FlexPoE Power".

So, what is the problem? You got, what you payed for. ;-)

If you want to have a product with local management, then buy another one without "Insight" capabilities, e.g. one of the "Standalone Smart managed Pro" line:

https://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/smart/sta...

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

#107
post #57

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There's really no better choice than Arris SURFboard if you want a DOCSIS bridge that just sits there and works all the time.

The Arris box I currently have is a PITA to use. It takes several seconds to navigate between pages and its extremely illogical. I was just going to see if I can flash it with Openwrt or dd-wrt because it's just unusable.

I don't know if you realise it or not but "PITA" is almost the perfect expression to use for networking equipment by the name of "Arris":

" Jonathon Green, a British slang lexicographer who authored The Vulgar Tongue: Green's History of Slang, told me that his favorite rhyming slang word is "arris," which means ass, because it actually goes through more than one round of partially-dropped rhyming. "Arris," he said, is short for "Aristotle," which rhymes with "bottle," which itself is the first half of the phrase "bottles and glass," which rhymes with "ass." So in rhyming slang, "I'll put my foot up your arris" means "I'll put my foot up your ass" "

from https://www.vox.com/2015/2/16/8045999/cockney-rhyming-slang-...

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

#108
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the benefit/incentive for Netgear? Why are they pulling such a move?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism

Seems like both that as well as a way to ramp into SAS subscription nonsense. Who would have thought that despicable model would make its escape from B2B into the retail market...

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

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post #2

> You can login and access all features through the local browser UI 3 times without registering the switch through your netgear.com account. How generous, for a device that people buy (not rent) from them, and pay actual money for (not receive for free). And apparently Netgear didn't even feel the need to bother including any contrived excuse as to why this is being introduced. What a time to be alive.

All low end proprietary network gear is going managed by cloud. Ubiquiti on the soho side and now consumer. Open source is the only equipment you can trust to not adopt this model as it’s much more profitable than shipping a box once every five years.

Why can't we have network equipment that's designed from the ground up to run open source router firmwares? When my ISP gives me new networking hardware, the first thing I do is look for ways to flash new firmware on it or put it into bridge mode.

Re: Netgear Firmware Requires Online Registration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things like this are why I buy "dumb" equipment, which will remain obedient to you and not the manufacturer. My white goods are all many decades old. Washer and dryer are both entirely computer-free (mechanical controls) and don't even contain a single semiconductor (unless you count the indicator bulbs I replaced with LEDs.) Many people often think the house/life of a software developer is filled with "smart" things…

Out of all the terrible trends in technology today, I’m convinced that “unnecessary cloud-tethering” is the absolute worst. I should not need to sign in and get permission from the device manufacturer to use or configure a device or software I supposedly bought. I should not need you as an intermediary when I’m using it. I should not need to give you analytics on how I’m using it. You should not even know I’m using i…

Out of all the terrible trends in technology today, I’m convinced that “unnecessary cloud-tethering” is the absolute worst.

Yes. If not only because "cloud" services typically live for only a few years. Then the device is useless.

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