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Re: On Browser Tabs

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Firefox containers, paired with Simple Tab Groups helped me to fix this.

I work on multiple projects and it's common to have multiple Github and alike issues, and other pages open. With Simple Tab Groups, you can select to group and only show tabs that belong to just one group.

It's easy to move tabs between groups. When the tab group is switched, tabs from the other group are offloaded from memory, effectively making them bookmarks.

Pinned tabs (webmail client, a note taking app, and music player in my case) are shown in all tab groups.

I know it helped a lot, because I use Chrome on my Android, and I always have ":D" in my tab button because I have more than 100 tabs open.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I built the "first tabbed browser", NetCaptor, back in 1997. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/meet-th... My take - some of us leave tabs open way too long because we fear not being able to get back to those sites again… it’s loss aversion. Tabs aren’t the core problem per se, it’s recall. We need to solve the “I want to get back here again” problem. I primarily use Brave and effectively start fres…

Something I learned with tabbed browsing is that its important to clear the working "memory". One of my most used shortcuts is "close other tabs", and "close tabs to the right". Keeping tabs open should be like allocating to the stack and frequently cleared when the task is done. I might open 5 tabs from one link but when I have what I need I'll move the only the ones I need to the left and close the ones to the right. I find clearing tabs very refreshing - when in doubt: nuke it.

The introduction of tabs was fantastic, and I'm very glad you brought it to us. It bundles windows together, I would rather pick up my firefox bucket and look for a web page there than to look through a dumpster of software windows. But it took me a very long time before I figured out how to not let it get out of hand.

If people are afraid of losing tabs, they just aren't trusting their own memory/curiosity enough. When something is important, your mind tends to remember it, and if it wasn't, then its okay to have lost it. If something was that crucial, you can just Google it again, and if you cant find it on Google you still have your browser history.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

I'd say that if you need 1000+ tabs, there is a problem. Not with you but with the browser.

I mean, how can you not get lost? Do you realize the thing you are looking for is on tab 248 before lookin it up again?

At that point these are not tabs anymore they are a directory or a history. I think using tabs for that is totally inadequate.

Unfortunately, browsers tend to be lacking in that department. They have a list of closed tabs to restore, but limited to a ridiculously small number like 10. They have a bookmark system but it doesn't save the state of the page like a tab. They have a history but it fills up with crap too quickly.

An unlimited, easily searchable tab close history could make keeping lots of tabs unnecessary. It is much easier closing a tab when you know it won't be lost.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

"Yes, in principle I could export the list of tabs to a text file, and begin anew ..."

I came here to complain that, actually, you can't.

Or rather, it's surprisingly complicated to export a simple list of current tab URLs to a plain old text file.

You need to dig several directories deep into /Library (or whatever, depending on your OS) and then use JSON tools to export ... I've already lost most people.

Why can't we just have:

about:tabs

... which is nothing but a one URL per line, text listing of all of our currently open tabs ? How simple and nice and useful would that be ?

Go searching for "how can I export tabs" or "how can I save tab urls" and you'll see thousands of people trying (usually in vain) to achieve this very, very simple thing.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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Without addons, I “solve“ this by opening a separate window for each train of thought. When it comes time to go Marie Kondo I either close the window or bookmark all of the tabs for later. This works great at home. At work I’m constantly fishing for which window some bit of information I currently need is in (though I’m not sure one window would fix that any better). So even MMMV.

If you need entire browser sessions for some bits of info that are in there, somewhere, is there really not a better way?

So many health and monitoring tools have a web UI these days. Someone chats about a server acting weird, you’re in the chat, looking at logs and graphs in several spots, maybe using your own app, looking at commits in several modules, and looking up error messages online. Spread out across 2-4 screens.

Plus there’s whatever feature or bug fixes you were working on before that all started, and the research you were doing for a ticket you want to propose, and you have to get back to those when you’re done.

And somewhere there’s a window with this HN post you have to find again in order to respond.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

I'm sorry to hear that Nobody should have to wade through 1500+ tabs.

It's frustrating to hear anyone struggle with that in this day and age. I've been there myself. But there are technical solutions.

I haven't had to deal with tab anxiety in years.

My browser stack is Tree Style Tabs, Session Manager, Multiple Tab Handler, and Tab Group Plus.

I regularly wrangle clusters of tabs.

If I have a tree of tabs that is spawned from an HN story or something, I can drag it into a new window, and then export it to a tgmg file from Tab Group Manager, put the tab collection file in my repository, and put a reference to it in my knowledge base. I might also embed it in an rtfd file.

If I don't need that kind of structure, I can just use shift or ctrl to bulk select the tabs I want, and paste the urls into my knowledge base. And effortlessly restore the list of urls to a new session when I want.

I'm able to re-create not just specific urls, but the context that I browsed them in.

If it is months or years later, it is really helpful to have a tree or list of urls, and maybe some notes. That makes it so much easier re-inhabit my state of mind during that research session.

I doubted whether it would be worth perusing, but I'm really glad I did. I love being able to recall research threads I started years earlier.

Unfortunately, it takes some effort to get set up to digest lots of tabs. I wish that this was recognized as more of a problem. It is so idiosyncratic that we are using open browser tabs as a temporary database to store lists of urls. Browsers should combine history, tab management, and bookmarks. It makes no sense anymore for those features to be separate from each other.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point isn't it better to just set up some bookmarks? Navigating 700 tabs is much harder than navigating a hierarchical bookmark list. Personally I only keep open tabs that I am actively working in, if I have more than ~15 I get less productive since I have to hunt through to fine the one I need. Several times a day I just clear out all my tabs aside from a couple pinned ones.

Bookmarks discard window layout, scroll bar position, back/forward history, form contents, etc. They don't stay in sync with tabs so you have to delete and recreate them.

I wonder if you could serialize all that, and make a new "Enhanced Bookmark" Actually, that would be a really cool directory service.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

I'd say that if you need 1000+ tabs, there is a problem. Not with you but with the browser. I mean, how can you not get lost? Do you realize the thing you are looking for is on tab 248 before lookin it up again? At that point these are not tabs anymore they are a directory or a history. I think using tabs for that is totally inadequate. Unfortunately, browsers tend to be lacking in that department. They have a list o…

> I mean, how can you not get lost?

Firefox has a built-in search engine for tab titles and URLs in its omnibar, which helps.

Re: On Browser Tabs

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post #104
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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

"Yes, in principle I could export the list of tabs to a text file, and begin anew ..." I came here to complain that, actually, you can't . Or rather, it's surprisingly complicated to export a simple list of current tab URLs to a plain old text file. You need to dig several directories deep into /Library (or whatever, depending on your OS) and then use JSON tools to export ... I've already lost most people. Why can't…

There are multiple chrome extensions that export chrome tabs to markdown or similar, though....

Re: On Browser Tabs

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I... have a problem. I recently had ~1600 tabs open in Firefox. With a lot of painstaking effort I cut it down to ~750. Quite some distance to go still. The default interface sucks once you have more than 50 tabs. I wish there were easy REPL-ish programmatic access to the list/dict of tabs (so I could filter out all GitHub tabs, or close all stackoverflow tabs, etc) and that was a first class citizen in the browser i…

FYI, you can do a lot of this stuff with AppleScript on the Mac. E.g., my workflow is to collect tabs on a topic, then I run a script that copies those tabs as a Markdown list. I paste that list into my notes for a project. Then, when I come back to that project, I can just select the list of Markdown links, and run another script to open them as tabs again.
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